mollymeek ([info]mollymeek) wrote,
@ 2008-07-01 21:24:00
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Democracy is Come from Singapore
I think someone who writes as quoted below either has no sense of irony or has a wicked sense of irony:

1. "The [libel] case [involving Dr. Chee Soon Juan and Ms. Chee Siok Chin] had nothing to do with political freedom."

[Of course. How could it have had anything to do with political freedom when there isn't any to speak of?]

2. "Dr. Chee in open court then called the Singapore leaders "murderers, robbers, child molesters" and "rapists.""

[Ah, but it's OK to insinuate that Dr. Chee is a psychopath and call him a cheat.]

3. "Singapore upholds free speech and the right to disagree, subject to the law."

[Emphasis mine. Apologies for emphasizing the wrong part. I think the emphasis should be on the last four words instead.]

4. "Singapore's laws must be decided by Singaporeans, not by foreigners like Gopalan Nair, who is a U.S. citizen, or by the foreign media."

[I would prefer to say that Singapore's laws must be decided by those who deserve to be called Singaporeans, not self-serving crooks. Of course, I am thankful that no such person has yet been given a chance to decide laws.

Don't tell Singapore the people controlling Singapore what to do. Even if they decide to execute all Singaporean bloggers, no one has the right to say that things must change.]

5. "They [foreigners] have no right to defame [who does??!!!] to give a skewed account of court proceedings, or to engage in Singapore politics, for example, by campaigning for their version of Western style "democracy" for Singapore."

[Yes. Yes. Only The Straits Times has the right to give a skewed account of court proceedings. Because they skew in the right way.

And wow, wow, wow!! Western democracy has to be used with inverted commas, as though it's not real democracy. Perhaps Singapore's brand of democracy by autocracy Asian democracy is the true, authentic form of democracy.]

Since Singapore upholds free speech and the right to disagree, may Molly politely say that one should stop tying a party's political dominance to national sovereignty. Since Singapore's laws should be decided by Singaporeans, may I take the chance to call for the abolition of oppressive laws such as that absurd one on party political films, or that one which says that two consenting men can't have sex with each other in the privacy of their homes? (Oh, of course not. Some Singaporeans are more Singaporean than others--and know better than the rest of the world.)


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Two Views of Freedom of Speech and Law in Singapore

Your editorial ("Democracy in Singapore," June 26), relying on a "partial transcript," has misunderstood the issue in the libel case involving Dr. Chee Soon Juan and his sister.

The case had nothing to do with political freedom. It was for defamation arising from the Chees' false claims that Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and Lee Kuan Yew are criminals and corrupt. Despite being advised by a Queen's Counsel, they failed to produce any credible defense or evidence to back up their claims.

Having lost, Dr. Chee in open court then called the Singapore leaders "murderers, robbers, child molesters" and "rapists." The Chees also rebuked the judge, ignored her orders and shouted her down. In Ms. Chee's defense, her lawyer could only claim that she was "almost paranoid." This is why the judge sentenced the Chees to imprisonment for scandalizing the court.

Many opposition politicians routinely criticize government leaders, but are not sued because they have not uttered slanderous falsehoods. Contrary to your editorial, Singapore upholds free speech and the right to disagree, subject to the law.

Singapore's laws must be decided by Singaporeans, not by foreigners like Gopalan Nair, who is a U.S. citizen, or by the foreign media. Foreign media are entitled to report and comment on what is happening in Singapore, but they circulate here subject to Singapore law. They have no right to defame, to give a skewed account of court proceedings, or to engage in Singapore politics, for example, by campaigning for their version of Western style "democracy" for Singapore.

Yeong Yoon Ying
Press Secretary to Minister Mentor
Singapore



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(Anonymous)
2008-07-02 03:32 am UTC (link)
I find it absolutely disgusting that they label him a "foreigner" when he was born here and had to "serve" national service like everyone else. Sure, he changed his nationality. But therein lies the problem. He did not decide the laws of Singapore, he said that the judge was corrupt, and she is definitely biased towards the MM and PM, from what ive heard in the recordings of the proceedings. Second, they are saying that what Gopalan Nair is saying is "slanderous falsehood". Yet they have not disproved that the judiciary is unbiased, nor have they proved equal treatment between the MM and PM, and CSJ and sister.

They are simple making use of him in "national service" to establish a sense of security for foreign businesses to come here and then throwing him aside. All i can say is that the "Minister Mentor" had better not be surprised at the outflow of talent, and he better not think that a "passionate appeal" to "quitters" is enough to get them to return.

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[info]mollymeek
2008-07-04 09:04 am UTC (link)
Too bad Molly got no talent. Otherwise she also flow out already. :(

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[info]mollymeek
2008-07-04 09:13 am UTC (link)
BTW, I think the "slanderous falsehoods" bit was referring to CSJ rather than Gopalan Nair.

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The point raised?
(Anonymous)
2008-07-02 04:31 am UTC (link)
The point that is really raised is the high handed way they "Fix" the opposition. Dr Chee did mention someone who was part of the founding of Singapore as the information is disclosed and unclassified by the British government.
Turn out someone had used underhanded method to get to where he is today.And the sad part for him is people (at least those who dig into it) know and people remember.
More recent news of note. An opposition member who is overly portrayed in an Import(FT) serious crime.But their problem is not that, The thing is the voters or fence sitter who did not get to vote, see more clearly with each of their "elitist?" action.
Onlooker

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Re: The point raised?
[info]mollymeek
2008-07-04 09:05 am UTC (link)
Let's see if the unclassified documents ever get to be studied in National Education or Social Studies classes.

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(Anonymous)
2008-07-06 12:21 pm UTC (link)
When the sun or grand sun want to erase the shadow cast by the waning moon.Like a certain NK kim who downplay his PAPa "achievement" after he is gone. Dictation are all like that one.
Onlooker

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[info]mollymeek
2008-07-06 02:42 pm UTC (link)
I don't have enough life in me to wait for two suns to set. I think I would just go to another planet.

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Gotta thank those jokers
(Anonymous)
2008-07-02 01:55 pm UTC (link)
Too tired of the obvious bullying by the powerful to comment. Can only take them as jokers and laugh at their expense, e.g. like mr brown's recent "speedy clearance" posting.
http://www.mrbrownshow.com/2008/06/30/the-mrbrown-show-speedy-clearance/#comments

Luckily I'll be moving out of this country, so I can afford to laugh at it from a distance eventually.

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Re: Gotta thank those jokers
[info]mollymeek
2008-07-04 09:06 am UTC (link)
Jokers are funny. Sometimes these people just aren't. funny.

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So true
(Anonymous)
2008-07-03 01:16 am UTC (link)
It is always all right to call CSJ a cheat, lier, etc. But it is always wrong to say things like "maybe the gahmen is wrong" because we know, 1 is a group of gods and goddesses (who can never be wrong and is all knowing) and the other is just a mortal (who is 'always' wrong and don't know anything).

Sometimes you really wonder if anyone in the gahmen every looks in the mirror. Calling others names and defraying them is okay, when it happens to you the world has collapsed.

Desmond

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Re: So true
(Anonymous)
2008-07-03 01:22 am UTC (link)
It seems that CSJ said he never did any of the things that the ST writer said (http://yoursdp.org/index.php/component/content/article/1-singapore/566-attacks-by-lee-kuan-yew-getting-weirder-and-weirder). Now I really want to read the transcripts.

One thing I forgot to say. Foreigners are not allowed to comment on Singapore politics. Singaporeans are not allowed to comment on Singapore politics (remember, we have the "freedom" of speech, as long as it is speech the gahmen likes). So who is allowed to comment on Singapore politics?

Desmond

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Re: So true
[info]mollymeek
2008-07-04 09:10 am UTC (link)
ST journalists such as a certain Ms Chua, perhaps?

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Re: So true
[info]mollymeek
2008-07-04 09:07 am UTC (link)
It's called the right of reply. Which is a right exclusive, it seems, to the ruling elite.

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