mollymeek ([info]mollymeek) wrote,
@ 2007-12-14 14:38:00
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Lying Testimonies: (Dis)belief in the Age of Curious Politics

Of course, it would be pretty naive for anyone to think, when Chee Siok Chin and John Tan were stopped by the police when the approached Shangri-La Hotel during the ASEAN Summit, that they were really going there for dinner.

But how would the police have been able to access and assess their intentions?

Opposition leaders = out to make trouble, PAP leaders = good people, red T-Shirt = protestor?

Weren't the police acting to stop them from approaching the hotel because of an assumption that they potentially there to make trouble because they were opposition members?

A person not recognizable by the public or by the public and who wore white might not have faced the same treatment even if had the same intentions - or even if he had swallowed a time bomb and was going to be a suicide bomber at the Shangri-La Hotel. Or perhaps surveillance in Singapore has reached such a level of sophistication that policemen are planted with micro-chips which will enable them to receive via satellite the profile on each person that comes into their vision--and even this would only be possible if surveillance is so rampant in Singapore that the state has a detailed profile of each individual, including even his MSN conversations, perhaps.

In any case, do we have access of Chee and Tan's intentions now?

Were they really there to protest?

Or were they actually there to make a statement about protesting, to test waters that they know will scald them?

I am more inclined to the latter possibility, though I am not able to prove it.

And since I can make a good guess about their intentions, why do I seem to be suggesting that the police should not have made a similar judgment on the duo? Well, that is perhaps the difference between an irreponsible (or even a responsible) blogger and the police. I speculate, but I don't do anything to others by speculation. On the other hand, does the police not need evidence before they single out people and "do things" to them? Such as forcibly removing them from a place using an unmarked vehicle.

If it is true though, that Chee and Tan were not really there for dinner, would it be to their discredit?

Not for me.

It was a political act (though not necessary an act to score for themselves political points, as some might say). It was to say something by doing something. It was an act done out of a wish to enlarge the really limited free space Singaporeans have. (Of course, this is just my interpretation of the action. No one, as always, needs to believe me.)

And perhaps that's why the police is indignant. Even if they had let Chee and John had their way, I don't think either of them would have harmed an ant at the ASEAN Summit. So what even if they were allowed to protest? What was at stake was the pride of the state. It was a challenge to an oppressive system which, of course, found it crucial to fight back--not to face the challenge, really, but to curb it and hopefully erase it from visibility.

The same goes for the case of Leow Zi Xiang, whom Molly blogged about
here and here. This guy is now portrayed as a liar by the media. The New Paper has an article, "I didn't come clean with the police."

Of course. If he had come clean with the police, he would have had told the police: "Yes, I'm deliberately challenging the system. But charge me if you can!"

The article starts off this way:

He wants you to believe it was all a coincidence.

Like how he just happened to have on a red soccer jersey.


How deceptive! How heinous! He's cheating the public!

No, he's not cheating the public. He's raising the question of how the police can differentiate between those who wear red to protest and those who wear red by chance. Of why the police must be so obsessive about preventing protests. Finally, by implication, of why this country must have ridiculous laws preventing people from protesting.

Of course, the papers would have you believe that such people as Chee Siok Chin, John Tan and Leow Zi Xiang are lacking "credibility", a certain conception of which has been developed as a fetish for many Singaporeans.

He is not to be believed, but he is to be believed.

Don't believe him. Look at how sneaky he is! He didn't come clean with the police!

But look, believe him when what he says about his intention puts him in a bad light.

And if The New Paper had reported accurately, it would seem that Leow may have had rather contradictory intentions.

Believe him when you dig him out of Facebook and show him to have posted about his intention to join a protest. Believe him also when he claims, "'Since I wanted to see what was going on, I wore red to show my support." (I would have thought that joining a protest and supporting the efforts of protestors were different things. But maybe Leow himself wasn't sure?)

(Maybe the police actually read Leow on Facebook before the latter went down to Orchard Road? Prescient and omniscient?)

But Leow is bad, bad, bad. Look, he was even "late" for the protest, The New Paper claims.

LATE FOR PROTESTS

After much to-ing and fro-ing, Mr Leow revealed his real intention - to be there for the planned protests which were scheduled to start at 11am and end at 6pm.

He said: 'Since I wanted to see what was going on, I wore red to show my support.'

But when the duo walked up at 1pm, it was all over. His friend, Mr Shamil, said: 'We knew the protest was over. Honestly, how long can it last? But we were curious to see if it was successful.'

Hey, if the protests were supposed to be from 11am to 6pm, how can you say that he was late when they were supposed to last until 6pm?

And what protest could he possibly participate in or support if the protests were over. 

(So if you wore red to protest but you change your mind but wear the same shirt, you are still a dangerous potential protestor where the police is concerned?)

Bad little law undergraduate huh. But perhaps not as bad as a lawyer blatantly distorting the issue.

But was Mr Leow targeted because he was in his red jersey?

Mr Sunil said: 'Because both, including his friend in blue, were stopped, the police were not exercising their power due to his wearing of red.

'They exercised their power in a uniform manner under the act, and there was no discrimination.'

No discrimination because his friend in blue was also stopped? Why not interpret that as blatant discrimination because even if you were not in blue, you would be targeted because you were with someone in red.

But believe. Believe Sunil because he is a lawyer. No, believe because he's a lawyer not against the establishment. Believe Leow. Believe him when he confesses what is not presented to us as his guilt.

Believe Leow when he says he's curious.

Politics in Singapore sure arouses one's curiosity. Though, if you are a cat (like poor me), you might just be killed. :(

[But, of course, Molly is not credible. Believe her when she says she's an irresponsible. Don't believe her when she says she's a cat. For she's really a cunning bitch in cat fur.]
 



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[info]hirondelle
2007-12-14 08:34 am UTC (link)
I'll start off by saying I'm probably not the most unbiased person in the world, since Leow (LZX, as I call him) is one of my oldest and closest friends.

Re: the Facebook point, the New Paper did say that the police dug up his stated intention to join the protest on Facebook after the commotion started, if I recall correctly. So, what, TNP (or SPF, as the case may be)? Is your point to further discredit him? It doesn't change the point that at the point of the incident, when he was turned away by the police, the police didn't really know what his intentions were. Nothing the police has brought up thus far shows that they did. This is justification ex post facto.

The TNP was also inaccurate in at least one other way: the issue was not whether the police had the right to turn people away (of course they do), but whether they exercised the right in a responsible (as opposed to arbitrary) manner. That was always his point. Even if the police didn't really know what his intentions were, they didn't take steps to check it out. They conducted no search, for example, to see if he was carrying a bomb or weapon or whatever. They offered no reasons for turning him back. Everything was based on the fact that he wore a red shirt (and actually, they didn't even say that much), which is like crucifying someone for the colour of his hair (dye) (and not telling him why).

That's what I recall offhand about the TNP article. On the bright side, it is the TNP after all. I hope people don't take it so seriously.

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[info]mollymeek
2007-12-14 08:43 am UTC (link)
Unfortunately, people do take it quite seriously.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1807421

E.g. 1
"WTF. The joker had brought us all for a ride.

This episode shows that sadly this young man has an integrity problem. He has a serious character flaw. He was dishonest from the start, and happily omitted and twisted the facts to achieve --- "whatever" his game was."

E.g. 2
"Then I sobered up and realised, this guy is damn daring (or damn stupid) to do this kind of thing, and still write a letter to straits times forum claiming he wasn't there for the protest. It's these kind of people that gives the other protesters a bad name." [Molly: Did he claim he wasn't there for the protest?]

E.g. 3
"Ya. Even I was kenna deceived by him too (referring to his second letter to forum). Wonder what kind of lawyer he'll turn out to be.."

E.g. 4
"Maybe the kind that represent mafia type. But he's a young boy, hopefully he learn from this lesson and don't be such a buffoon."

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[info]zerotonin
2007-12-14 12:07 pm UTC (link)
"I hope people don't take it so seriously"

They *don't*. Which is precisely the problem.

I mean, it's the TNP:

IF OBJECT (TNP) PRIMARY FUNCTION = SPORTS NEWS

AND IF ARTICLE = SUPPORTS HEGEMONIC DISCOURCE

THEN(NIL)CRITICAL READING

You'll just want to get to the sports pages quickly what. Everything else, if read at all, is a bonus. Or issues you feel you don't really have an interest in, beyond (in this case a vague sense of ocupying the same cultural-political construct.

Given that, the TNP angle on ZX is not serious enough to be questioned. 'Specially if consumed in the post-sports pages afterglow.

May be hugely ctnical, but if you're reading TNP for news, you're definitely not going to challenge its stand anytime soon.

OH YA:

Everyone! www.aldaily.com is an awesome site for news and newsy things!

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[info]mollymeek
2007-12-14 02:03 pm UTC (link)
Banality browsed carelessly might be a sinister source of ideological conditioning.

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He is fixing
(Anonymous)
2007-12-14 09:42 am UTC (link)
When our esteemed leader said that he wants to fix, he will fix. If this is their intent from day one, they will work at it at every turn. The words will be twisted till shit happens, even to the point of looking stupid and clueless.

He learns from the best - his father.

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Re: He is fixing
[info]mollymeek
2007-12-14 01:57 pm UTC (link)
I wish he would do more buying and less fixing.

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(Anonymous)
2007-12-14 12:58 pm UTC (link)
Please don't make it sound as if the Chees are nor at fault or have ill intentions. Yea, having a meal at the hotel. Right. And we all thought Chee Siok Chin is a bankrupt??

Anyway, it is reasonable for the police to believe the sdp people were up to no good based on their records. SDP people are well known for jumping at any opportunity to create a hoo ha. Too many to list here, from the last 15 years.

What is worst for me is that the SDP has hijacked the Burmese people's sufferings for their own political point-scoring with the international media.

Thouhg I support the opposition, I won't pledge blind allegiance just because someone claims to be fighting on the opposition's side.

Molly, I am disappointed with this post of yours.

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[info]zerotonin
2007-12-14 01:35 pm UTC (link)
I reckon that the definition of 'ill-intention' would depend on whether one believes civil disobedience is a bad thing in the first place?

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[info]mollymeek
2007-12-14 01:56 pm UTC (link)
No one is asking anyone to pledge blind allegiance or any kind of allegiance to the opposition. Neither is anyone speaking of blamelessness.

And I have never suggested that Chee was really going to have a meal at the hotel. Though I might say that perhaps John was giving her a treat?

It would be a mistake to expect purity and nobility of intentions (which we can only speculate on) from opposition members, especially as though the same need not be expected from the police. Or perhaps the police really, really sent her away in the interest of the ASEAN delegates' security?

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[info]mrsbudak
2007-12-14 05:20 pm UTC (link)
I think the police was being awfully petty in actually going through Facebook to search his name. So is this what our police officers living off our tax money are doing in their offices, instead of catching ah longs and those phone scam artists...

Still can't erase the fact that the police was doing screening in a somewhat superficial manner. If I really had mischief on my mind, do you really think I would wear red to draw attention to myself.

They should have just cordoned the whole area off and ban even ants from coming within 10km of the hotel. But that would have been too draconian and made Singapore the world's laughing stock, I suppose.

Or hold the event at Sentosa and set up gantries and marine patrols around the island.

The credibility of the police in my eyes went down another notch.

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[info]mollymeek
2007-12-14 06:39 pm UTC (link)
It was claimed that some member of the public alerted the police to the Facebook thing. Nevertheless, it was pretty silly for them to mention the Facebook announcement.

It's like buying 4D and striking 4D, then saying, "See, I was right."

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To Seize Or Not To Seize
(Anonymous)
2007-12-16 08:00 am UTC (link)
Just this morning, the #141 reported that an American Navy personnel assaulted a Singaporean - and then he was whisked out by the American Naval Criminal Investigative Service after the Singaporean identified him.

And the police said that the American sailor could not be arrested because the offence was not seizable.

Any more of this logic on who the police can seize or not and I'll have a brain seizure...sometimes the logic befuddles me. Then again, reading this article on Chee Siok Chin being escorted away from Orchard while other people seemed to have no problems whatsoever entering that "protected area" should have made me immune to the interesting logic leaps in the law.

Just to ask...was the man who bashed up Seng Han Thong arrested?

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Re: To Seize Or Not To Seize
[info]mollymeek
2007-12-17 08:13 am UTC (link)
I suppose the Singaporean was
1. Not in a "protected area"
2. Not an ASEAN Summit delegate or some other VIP
3. Not a civil servant
4. Not assaulted by an opposition politician

Man who based Ah Seng? Can't remember what happened to him, but I do believe he got into some trouble with the police.

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piantiam
(Anonymous)
2008-06-04 02:03 am UTC (link)
I had no idea our civil servants were made out of non fire proof card board and our judiciary was so fragile. I have many things to write abt this, but I am too afraid. You know what? A couple of months ago I read somewhere abt this whole idea of a deregulating the internet. You know what? They have to do it. As it is, its not a very good way to control, manage and even supervise people. Using bloggers to kill fellow bloggers is a much better idea, for one who do we hate? Who do we complain too?

Akan Datang!

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