mollymeek ([info]mollymeek) wrote,
@ 2007-11-19 15:48:00
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"Solutions" that come with a price
One cannot help but observe that our talented leaders often come up with solutions to our problems--at our expense. When we encounter frustrating traffic conditions, the solution is to implement ERP. And if that doesn't solve the problem, increase the number of ERP gantries together with the charges. Actually that still doesn't solve the problem. The number of vehicles on the roads will still be increasing. Even if you manage to ease massive jams at certain places, maybe youjust spreading the jam over a larger area of the slice of bread without ensuring that the bread is relatively jam-free. (Lame metaphor perhaps, but at least Molly doesn't charge you more for better metaphors.)

And if you have problems getting a cab during peak hours, the solution is to implement a peak-hour surcharge and to constantly stretch the definition "peak hour". Seven-thrity to nine. Seven to ten. Six to twelve. Six in the morning to twelve midnight. Peak hour, peak charges. Wee hours, peak charges too. And so? It's still difficult to get a cab during peak hours. It's even difficult to get through a line that allows you to book a cab (and, yes, that means you have to pay yet another surcharge). But that's a solution. And peak hour and booking surchrages went up last year. Why? I thought they were solutions to a problem and not meant to help taxi companies make more profit? The solution no longer works because people have become inured to paying the surcharges?

Well, never mind. Now Seng Han Thong is proposing yet another surcharge. The location surcharge...

MP Seng Han Thong has suggested an additional sum for busy places like clubs, pubs, hotels, shopping malls and Raffles Place.

The root cause of soliciting, refusing to pick up passengers and overcharging lay in the pricing mechanism, he said, and errant cabbies resorted to such behaviour because demand for taxis exceeded the supply at certain times and places. (
CNA)
Additionally, Seng believes that "[t]axi companies need to impose surcharges at taxi stands in the CBD (central business district) and Orchard Road areas during peak hours, and at lobbies of hotels, major tourist attractions and nightspots."

Now, Molly doesn't really see how the excessive demands can result in soliciting and over-charging. If there is a huge demand (in fact, a demand that exceeds the supply), then there is no need for taxi drivers to solicit customers. And if there is an under-supply, taxi comapnies had better ensure that there is an adequate supply of taxis. Molly happens to be of the opinion that you should increase the supply to meet the demand (I don't know how that is going to be done, I have to admit). You don't decrease the demand to meet the supply. (That's what surcharges and other taxi price hike do to solve problems. They suppress the demand temporarily to deal with an undersupply.)

In any case, I can't see how excessive demand or undersupply should affect the behavior of taxi drivers if they simply pick up customers as they come along. Individual taxi drivers are not concerned about that kind of economics. The basic problem is still that of dishonesty or perhaps what drives them to dishonest behavior.

Seng also says:

Only location surcharges can address the problem of balancing the demand and supply of taxi services at specific places and time, while allowing taxis to charge a more affordable rate at other places such as HDB estates and neighbourhood shopping malls.
Oh wow. That's the only solution! Or is that the only solution you can think of? If you have a location surcharge, won't you simply be attracting taxi drivers to go to specific locations? Won't it aggravate the problem of errant taxi-drivers who "choose" passengers and perhaps allow them to do so legitimately to some extent? Won't it make it even more difficult for me to get a taxi when I'm at surcharge-free location? Mind you, at peak hours, it is already difficult for me to get a cab at these other locations.  (Then what? I start complainng and you start the Unpopular Location Surcharge in future, just like how you set up more and more ERP gantries?) 

If taxi drivers are tempted by the money to solicit customers or to impose dishonest pricing on unsuspecting passengers, an additional surcharge isn't going to stop them - because it's not going to be as lucrative.

"Allowing" taxis to charge a more affordable rate at HDB estates indeed. What do you mean by "allowing"? If I'm a taxi driver, why would I want to be "allowed" to charge a lower fare when I can earn a surcharge elsewhere?

One thing Seng has got right is perhaps the fact that taxi drivers are concerned about their operational costs. "He said taxi drivers' biggest concern was the rapidly rising operating costs, which had increased to some S$780 a month." (CNA)

But imposing a surcharge may not be a solution. If an additional surcharge causes a temporary drop in demand (as the drastic fare hike last year did), then taxi drivers may be further driven to make money through dishonest means.

Why are operational costs of cabbies "rapidly" rising? Are taxi companies squeezing a lot out of them to begin with? (This is not a rhetorical question.) And why should commuters be pay for a non-solution that may create other problems?



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(Anonymous)
2007-11-19 09:12 am UTC (link)
I have not boarded a taxi for a long time because it is considered a luxury to me. What's the difference when all taxi companies charge the same high price? Any recommendations to compete within companies? I am not optimistic with this trade anymore.

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-19 12:52 pm UTC (link)
recommend that the companies increase the fares ten-fold and thereafter increase monthly according to inflation rates. This will solve every single problem that exists.

Yeah, taxis are a luxury. Except for those who have to take LRT, MRT, buses from two bus companies and then walk 5km to get to where they want to get to... :p

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-19 04:22 pm UTC (link)
Please don't be angry with Seng, Molly....he can only think like Ah Seng.....hahaha

They should try educating the public on giving tips to cabbies who provide good service.....most drivers are nice.....maybe a 10% tip would help...and to only those who deserve it....that would make us a satisfied customer and the cabbie to be a good driver....

moreover...cabbies can learn to improve themselves...if they don
't get any ....

Please don't be angry with Ah Seng...for all the millions he's drawing..he can only think that much....

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-19 04:33 pm UTC (link)
Instead of asking the public to give tips (that has already been done and there's not guarantee), perhaps the companies can offer cabbies rebates as carrots ... they can score points when they pick up passengers before midnight without booking or something like that and then exchange points for rebates for operational costs.

Oh, but that will cost the companies to make less profits. Cannot. Definitely cannot.

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[info]mingwong
2007-11-19 05:45 pm UTC (link)
these MPs should bloody go fuck themselves. ya, if we got salary like theirs, then who cares abt the cab fare. but we don;t. they r soo stupid!

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-19 06:16 pm UTC (link)
Let's assume that nobody cares about the cab fare at all right from the start. Then what happens? The demand doesn't go down. And if he's right that the problem arises because the demand exceeds the supply, then the "solution" won't even work temporarily.

So his "solution" is actually predicated on the fact that some people _will_ care about the cab fare, so the demand will go down (for a while). So he does know that we care about the cab fares... (which doesn't make it any better, of course).

And one other question is . . . at certain times, the demand will not go down. Simply because buses and MRTs are not operating already. So will the location surcharge he's proposing still work?

But hor, trust him lah. He's talented and he says it's the ONLY solution... No choice lor.

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[info]hirondelle
2007-11-19 05:55 pm UTC (link)
Molly happens to be of the opinion that you should increase the supply to meet the demand (I don't know how that is going to be done, I have to admit). You don't decrease the demand to meet the supply.

Well said. Or, you could divert the demand to substitutes, such as our apparently "world-class" public transport system (i.e. buses and MRTs). Only problem is, they aren't actually world class. In fact they are stupidly run and unreliable and trust me I know what I'm talking about because I spend approximately 3 hours of my life every day using them (I live near Tuas).

Here's another solution for you, Mr Seng, Sir, since you can't think of any others - improve the damn mass public transport system.

Of course it wouldn't occur to you, would it, Sir? Because you live near the centre of town and can't comprehend anyone being actually willing to ride in anything other than a private vehicle (this includes taxis)?

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-19 06:20 pm UTC (link)
It's not clear at which hours he wants to have the surcharge implemented at nightspots. After a certain hour, there's no way the demand will go down because the "world class" buses and MRTs are no longer operating--with the exception of a few stray buses that takes dunno-how-long to come. (Or perhaps the demand will go down... because people will decide to go home earlier or not go out at all.)

As for improving the transport system... the only time they think of doing it is when they see phantom trains on the CTE: http://singaporepeasants.blogspot.com/2007/11/mee-siam-mai-hum-and-phantom-trains-in.html

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[info]hirondelle
2007-11-21 04:34 am UTC (link)
ROFL.

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More govt by taxation!
(Anonymous)
2007-11-20 12:51 am UTC (link)
RH:
"To conclude, the PAP has slipped, deliberately or unknowingly, into an unthinking mindset that automatically employs money as the main solution to all problems they encounter. If car ownership is too high, tax car ownership. It roads are too crowded, tax road use. If flat-building is limited, make flats expensive. If too many people want maids, tax them. If too many people smoke, tax cigarettes. If too many patients cancel their appointments at government hospitals, penalise them monetarily.

"It has become government by taxation. The immediate response to any social or infrastructural problem. The only way to govern. Other ways demand thinking and our PAP leaders have never been particularly strong in that area. Government by taxation is a quick palliative that obviates thinking. It is a fix-all that can be applied quickly and easily. No need to be creative or to consider the human costs. We are all digits that can be manipulated infinitely by money incentives (like the Baby Bonus) or better still, disincentives since that swell the State coffers."

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Re: More govt by taxation!
[info]mollymeek
2007-11-20 04:10 am UTC (link)
Nothing wrong with taxation if it works, but.... does it?

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-20 01:15 am UTC (link)

Lately we have a pig-brain MP proposing a pig-brain solution which will end up with pigger problems to solve!

Honestly, the root of the problem begins with the control of the taxi services lying in the hands of only a few major players, where maximisation of profits is what these companies are concerned. They are not truly concerned about the general welfare of these taxi drivers and neither would they give a damn whether the interests of the public are best served.

If you talk to the taxi players, one of their major grouses is having to cope towards paying the high daily rental of the taxi to the taxi companies apart from the rising fuel costs which will eat into their daily take home pay.

Until the day that the Gahmen fully liberates the control of the taxi companies and gives the taxi drivers the option to be free from the crutches of the taxi companies such as the right to be their own boss, service standards will never improve for the better.

Basically the Gahmen is the devil itself in contributing to the root of the problems that we are facing daily.

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-20 01:39 am UTC (link)
We should get rid of all surcharges. How does HK do it? How does Taipei do it? Do we have the most surcharges for cabs in the world? Another first? This MP should shut his mouth and not utter another 'non-solution' as I agree putting another surcharge is ridiculous!

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-20 04:12 am UTC (link)
Maybe we can impose a speaking surcharge on MPs and ministers each time they speak so that we can control the demand to speak.

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More bird talks or
(Anonymous)
2007-11-20 05:07 am UTC (link)
is that talking cocks? Really that's the best idea he is capable of? Then there are many many much better calibres than him around, he should know it and knows that he should give way to better people!

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Re: More bird talks or
[info]mollymeek
2007-11-20 05:12 am UTC (link)
That's not the "best" idea since the word "best" suggests that he has other ideas. He says that that is the "only" solution. So perhaps that's the only idea he has, not the best.

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Talking cock MP
(Anonymous)
2007-11-20 07:07 am UTC (link)
You see Ah Seng is only a MP. This time they are smarter,
they get a MP to talk cock and not a minister. Use a
"cheaper" MP to talk cock and let the people blast him
to death. Ministers are now scared to talk cock, they
do not want to look stupid all the time. I am sure that
this suggestion has been considered by the Transport
Minister, but this time, they made it such way it is
from a MP.

Testing water time...

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Re: Talking cock MP
[info]mollymeek
2007-11-20 07:14 am UTC (link)
But people don't tend to blast one person. They tend to blast one whole party and, in fact, the entire gahmen...

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-20 05:42 am UTC (link)
"One thing Seng has got right is perhaps the fact that taxi drivers are concerned about their operational costs. "He said taxi drivers' biggest concern was the rapidly rising operating costs, which had increased to some S$780 a month."

I am not sure that this is right. Does operating cost include the rental of a cab. I doubt the cost is so low if it includes that.

I would think that the govt is doing something to increase the supply of taxi drivers judging by the number of WO retrenched in the SAF. =P

- peasantsgetowned

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-20 05:48 am UTC (link)
Could be a conservative estimate... I don't know how high their rentals are.

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-20 05:44 am UTC (link)
what happens when there is a location surcharge?

scenario 1
say on this stretch of road, with lamp-posts label A, B, C, D, E, ...
There is a location surcharge starting from lamp-post C onwards. so someone, say X walks 5 mins to B to wait for cab so as to avoid the surcharge. Then taxi comes... the brake is, of course, 'erratic' and only manages to come to a stop at C. So X lan lan have to pay surcharge.

scenario 2
X waits at B. new person, Y comes along and waits at C. Even though taxi drives pass B first, he is ignores X, and pick up Y.

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-20 05:45 am UTC (link)
In the CBD at least, this won't happen. Cos you will have to queue at taxi stands. :)

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-20 01:01 pm UTC (link)
This loose cannon Ah Seng needs to get ANOTHER black eye.

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-20 02:44 pm UTC (link)
And which old man is going to bestow him with that? His Big Boss?

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-21 05:42 am UTC (link)
Sooner or later he is going to damage his party, PAP, to beyond repair.

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-21 04:33 pm UTC (link)
Will the party still win elections then?

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-21 01:12 am UTC (link)
it used to be high coe generating good revenues for the garmen. however, the flip side to that is, cars become unaffordable to the average person. and also, other than looking ridiculous in the world for making cars the most expensive to own, we may also become unattractive to talents we want to attract or retain. to resolve these problems, the garmen has decided that erp is a better way to generate the same revenues or more. but having a few erp will not achieve stratospheric revenue it aims to achieve. so to justify higher revenues, more erp must be erected. and to do that, they need to create sufficient congestion everywhere. but thank their lucky stars, congestion is easy to devise. simply make cars more affordable and raise the quotas of cars on the road would suffice. that way, not only will it resolve the infamy for ridiculously priced cars in the world, it also will not compromise on revenue collection. in fact, a higher car population is actually good for the economy.

however, the price for the above is that the people need to bear with higher costs of almost everything basically.

but that's bearable if you are paid in millions for making such decisions.kekeke.

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-21 04:34 pm UTC (link)
"Grow the economy" to "help the poor".

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-21 01:33 pm UTC (link)

Be prepared for another round of taxi fare increases!

Looking at signals being sent out thro' the MP, it appears that taxi fares is definitely going to be raised further in order to "improve" the service. (Remember the ever increasing MRT/bus fares even when the companies are reporting huge profits)

And for the peasants, hailing a taxi will eventually be considered as a luxury in this elite kingdom.

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-21 04:36 pm UTC (link)
It's OK. They can always rename buses and call the "taxis"...

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-21 02:03 pm UTC (link)
Dear Molly,

I'm going to say something which is terribly unpopular. Then I'll have to take cover.

I wont go into the wherefors and whynots, but it's my belief that Singapore taxis fares are underpriced. Why else are there such long queues at the taxi stands? I've also seen solitary schoolboy hailing a taxi.

Somebody should do the math, but I would really like to see that taxi drivers can work an 8-hour shift and earn enough to cover his livelihood and expenses.

And we should have a simple fare structure that doesn't require passengers to take out their Casio calculators.

Now I'll duck before the arrows start flying.

Robert L

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-21 04:54 pm UTC (link)
In a way, it is true that taxi fares are relatively cheap compared to some other places. In some countries, taxis may not even be regarded as "public" transport, as it is here.

We just have to put the claim in the right context. If Singapore has a super-efficient bus and train system and if cars weren't so damned expensive, then taxis could serve an entirely different function. In Singapore, it's rather costly to drive (thanks to COE, ERP, high car prices, etc) and taxis are often conceived of as something to serve a large portion of the masses rather than as a luxury. Many people can afford (even if they decide not to) take taxis occasionally or regularly if they aren't that poor. Singaporean cabbies then take more passengers to make up for the lack of fares collected from each. (In other countries, it could well be that those who cannot afford cabs may even be able to afford cheap cars.)

It may make sense to increase prices - quite drastically - for taxi fares if we just look at taxis alone. But if we look at the transport system as a whole, increasing taxi fares that much may cause other problems to arise. To put roughly as a question, if I cannot own cars (Singapore too small, no space, need to have ridiculously high prices), and I can't afford taxis (old fares are too low, need to have new fares), and I have to make 3 (or more) bus/train transfers to get to my destination, what I am to do when there's I urgently need to get to a place or when I have to travel at a time when buses and trains are no longer operating?

Additional problems include the fact that buses and trains are not that wheelchair/disabled-friendly. Even when they are, the huge crowds - even at off-peak hours - may prove to be a bigger obstacle to the disabled. So some of these people may have to rely on taxis as well...

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-21 04:09 pm UTC (link)

Really, if the government isn't so tight in controlling certain businesses, the market forces will sometimes solve the problem by its own. Are you allowed to run a company that operate during peak hours that match people going to similar place to take the same cab. Or is it easy to apply a licence to run public transport, maybe mini buses, that bring people from fixed locations? Can personal cars be converted to private taxis during peak hours? Really, market forces can solve problems but the government can be so rigid and place too many controls.

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[info]mollymeek
2007-11-21 04:55 pm UTC (link)
We have "premium" buses that have no choice (it's the rule) to cost at least 1.5 times more than normal buses. Very. Competitive.

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