mollymeek ([info]mollymeek) wrote,
@ 2007-10-23 16:28:00
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The Molly Awards

There's really no need to critique certain arguments that have already been critiqued. So today Molly shall give out awards instead.

1. Best Equivocation Award

Winner: NMP Thio Li-Ann
Winning Move: Erasing the difference between the being "conservative" and a desire for "conservation" (e.g. environmental conservation). I see, many environmentalists are conservatives?
Quote: "Like many, I applaud the government’s wisdom in keeping 377A which conserves what upholds the national interest. ‘Conservative’ here is not a dirty word connoting backwardness; environmental conservation protects our habitat; the moral ecology must be conserved to protect what is precious and sustains a dynamic, free and good society."

2. Best Black Pot Award

Winner: NMP Thio Li-Ann
Winning Move: Calling the kettle black. Talking about the "fallacies" committed by gay activists
Quotes: "These flawed arguments [for repealing 377A] are marinated with distracting fallacies . . ."

3. Best 'Because I say so' Award

Winner: NMP Thio Li-Ann
Winning Move
: For saying that the arguments to retain 377A are convincing and that arguments to repeal it are empty. Good Try.

Quotes: (1) Sir, the arguments to retain 377A are overwhelmingly compelling and should be fully articulated, to enable legislators to make informed decisions and not be bewitched by the empty rhetoric and emotional sloganeering employed by many radical liberals, which generate more heat than light.

 

(2) “The issues surrounding s377A are about morality, not modernity or being cosmopolitan.”

 

4. Best Sleight of Hand

Winner: NMP Thio Li-Ann

Winning Move: Arguing that we can recognize racial minorities, but we cannot recognize “sexual” minorities like gays.

Quote: “Race is a fixed trait. It remains controversial whether homosexual orientation is genetic or environmental, perhaps both. There are no ex-Blacks but there are ex-gays. The analogy between race and sexual orientation or preferred sexual preferences, is false.”

Molly’s adaptation: “Race is a fixed trait. There are no ex-Blacks, but there are ex-women. The analogy between race and sex is false and women have no right to demand equality. We cannot allow them to hijack a noble cause for their own use.”

 

5. Best “Proof from Assumption’ Award:

Winner: NMP Thio Li-Ann

Winning Move: Claiming that homosexuals are not working for human rights because they are wronging humanity.

Quote: “Homosexual activists often try to infiltrate and hijack human rights initiatives to serve their political agenda, discrediting an otherwise noble cause to protect the weak and poor. You cannot make a human wrong a human right.”

 

6. Worst rhetorical question:

Winner: NMP Thio Li-Ann

Winning Move: Lumping homosexuality, bestiality, incest and paedophilia in one rhetorical question.

Quote: “Sexual minorities’ and ‘sexual orientation’ are vague terms – covering anything from homosexuality, bestiality, incest, paedophilia – do all these minority sexual practices merit protection?”

Molly’s response: There are reasons for the law to protect individuals from incest and pedophilia. There are also reasons for the law to protect individuals from homosexuals. For instance, homosexuals should not be allowed to rape anyone or outrage their modesty. But this is no argument for criminalizing gay sex categorically. To repeal 377A is NOT to protect homosexuals. It merely stops defining their sexual acts as illegal. Individuals who do not wish to engage in homosexual sex with homosexuals are still protected by other laws.

 

7. Most Hilarious Claim Award:

Winner: NMP Thio Li-Ann

Winning Move: Claiming that her colleague’s article is “well-researched and cogent.”Quote: “I have noted a disturbing phenomenon over the 377A debate - the argument by insult. Instead of reasoning, some have resorted to name-calling to intimidate and silence their opponents. People with principled moral objections to the homosexual agenda are tarred and feathered ‘homophobes’, ‘bigots’, to shut them up. . . .

“One of my colleagues, a young professor, suffered these vicious tactics when the Straits Times published an article this May where Yvonne Lee argued against repealing 377A. This well-researched, cogent article so incensed homosexual activists that they flooded her with a torrent of abusive, lewd emails and wrote to her head of department calling for her to be removed from her job. This appeared to be a co-ordinated campaign.”

Molly’s Response: Are we thinking of the same article? http://mollymeek.livejournal.com/153526.html

8. The Tear-Jerking Altruist Award:

Winner: NMP Thio Li-Ann
Winning Move:Speaking out against gays/for retaining 377A despite the risk of being excommunicated.
Quote: "I speak, at the risk of being burned at the stake by militant activists. But if we don’t stand for something, we will fall for anything. I was raised to believe in speaking out for what is right, good and true, no matter the cost."
Molly's Response: Excessively zealous attempts at righteousness, particularly a compulsion to claim that one is right, is simply self-righteousness. Nevertheless, NMP Thio doesn't have to worry about being burned at the stake. This is really the practice of more respectable people who believe in a certain expression of morality. People may tear apart your claims, but no one will tear apart your body. On the contrary, Molly thinks your colleague NMP Siew Kum Hong seems more to be at risk of being burned at the stake by certain militant people. And he, too, believes in speaking out for what is right.

 
Source of information: theonlinecitizen


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[info]mrsbudak
2007-10-23 08:53 am UTC (link)
Really... I dunno whether to laugh or to cry at her petulant rants in Parliament. Laugh because she, as a law professor, is supposed to be logical and cogent in her "arguments" (I hardly see any; only assertions). Cry because why is so much time in Parliament devoted to such crap!?

Is it a case of "all sound and fury, signifying nothing... up there?"

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[info]miak
2007-10-23 09:04 am UTC (link)
a person of her intellect would normally be able to see reason, but she is clouded to such a degree that i cannot but think that there are deep person issues involved.

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(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-23 02:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-10-25 05:57 pm UTC

[info]mollymeek
2007-10-23 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Nah, I'm sure whatever she has said is well researched and cogent. As well researched and cogent as her colleague's.

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[info]hansel25
2007-10-23 10:24 am UTC (link)
Ha. She swept all the Molly awards. Congrats, Thio!

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[info]mollymeek
2007-10-23 02:50 pm UTC (link)
That's really the first Molly Awards. At the rate some ministers are spouting their . . . wisdom, there can be Molly Awards every day. Everyone has a chance.

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(Anonymous)
2007-10-23 11:09 am UTC (link)

I just can't rationalise how prejudiced people like Thoi-li-Ann & Yvonne Lee can be so unprofessional in their approach and be blinded by their own religious beliefs.

It just make me wonder whether these persons are the equivalent of Larry Craig.

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(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-23 02:51 pm UTC
sexual Prejudice - (Anonymous), 2007-10-24 09:16 am UTC
Re: sexual Prejudice - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 10:51 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-10-23 11:22 am UTC (link)
Does this spinster even know what an orgasm is like?
Orgasms induced by her cold steel 8" is quite different from real warm meat.
Looking at her face, she would think Doggie is meant for bitches, she goes missionary and only missionary (dead boring).

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(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-23 02:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]stargate_bum, 2007-10-24 07:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 10:52 am UTC
sad day to be singaporean :(
[info]nullirony
2007-10-23 11:51 am UTC (link)
People with principled moral objections to the homosexual agenda are tarred and feathered ‘homophobes’, ‘bigots’, to shut them up. . . .

whereas calling homosexuals "criminal" proves comforting to everyone including homosexuals, who by her argument lack any sense of moral philosophy and objectivity.

i see.

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Re: sad day to be singaporean :( - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-23 02:54 pm UTC

[info]roidsrage
2007-10-23 12:23 pm UTC (link)
thank you for breaking a otherwise soulless speech into something interesting

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(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-23 02:55 pm UTC

[info]boilingchill
2007-10-23 03:16 pm UTC (link)
reminds me of the good old times in Germany in the 1930s.

Happy days those when a mustached politician with a fabulous side parting spewed words of empty senseless rhetoric based on paranoia and uneducated hate disguised in a package of intellectual debate.

Heil Li-Ann!

Enjoyed your awards tremendously. Pity about the clean sweep by Herr Thio tho.:)

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(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-23 03:54 pm UTC
Fundamentalist Thiology
[info]darkling_plain
2007-10-23 03:42 pm UTC (link)
Everybody knows it is because of her deeply religious bent. It is a kind of gravitas that converts legal reasoning into thiological ('the illogical'?) perspective.

I assure you, she is cogent, comprehensive and clever most of the time. Really.

*removes tongue from cheek*

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Re: Fundamentalist Thiology - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-23 03:55 pm UTC
Re: Fundamentalist Thiology - (Anonymous), 2007-10-24 01:19 am UTC
Re: Fundamentalist Thiology - [info]pleinelune.wordpress.com, 2007-10-24 03:45 am UTC
Re: Fundamentalist Thiology - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 10:54 am UTC
Re: Fundamentalist Thiology - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:30 pm UTC
Re: Fundamentalist Thiology - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 10:53 am UTC
Re: Fundamentalist Thiology - [info]stargate_bum, 2007-10-24 07:32 am UTC
Re: Fundamentalist Thiology - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:32 pm UTC
Re: Fundamentalist Thiology - [info]kaypoh, 2007-10-24 07:42 am UTC
Re: Fundamentalist Thiology - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:34 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-10-23 11:08 pm UTC (link)
saying that race is a "fixed trait" is patently flawed. you wouldn't find too many biologists these days that would accept race as a biological category. this isn't the nineteenth century.

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(no subject) - [info]mrsbudak, 2007-10-23 11:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-10-24 05:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2007-11-02 05:25 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-10-24 04:37 am UTC (link)
Molly great post! I shall present you with the Best Host Award!

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(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:44 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-10-24 06:07 am UTC (link)
Molly for the NMP. Molly for the NMP. Molly for the NMP.

Today in Parliament starring Molly will be more bearable to watch

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(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:44 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-10-24 08:10 am UTC (link)
What she's saying about there are ex gays and no ex-blacks (This one is for you to bring in the millions, Michael Jacksun) is that ex-slaves have a choice in their freedom.

For one so completely in want of compassion and emotional intelligence, she deserves to be deported back to pre Women's Charter days where her feet would be broken and subjected to all kinds of abuse by the family who have been culturally conditioned to think she is but a smelly piece of money losing merchandise meat. The sooner to foist onto another family and man, the better

Anyway, the way it is said in Cantonese sounds nicer, Li-Ann. Nicer at describing womenhood for which she is its most honoured member. And it was really nice of her for casting darkness onto the light which we all see.

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(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:46 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-10-24 08:14 am UTC (link)
Is Thio Li Ann is a lecturer at NUS??
OMG, I can't comprehend her logic at all, I think I will fail her class next time.
*sob sob*

oh well, I better not enroll at such a university then ~~

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(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:48 pm UTC
No ex-blacks?
(Anonymous)
2007-10-24 09:13 am UTC (link)
Ms Thio(what kind of sir name is this anyway)said, "There are no ex-Blacks but there are ex-gays. The analogy between race and sexual orientation or preferred sexual preferences, is false.”

It is obvious that she has not come across Michael Jackson before.

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Re: No ex-blacks? - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:51 pm UTC

[info]pkchukiss
2007-10-24 01:29 pm UTC (link)
Molly, you have a way of phrasing things that make these serious stuff so much easier to talk about =)

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(no subject) - [info]proinnseas, 2007-10-24 03:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]proinnseas, 2007-10-24 04:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 04:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mollymeek, 2007-10-24 03:52 pm UTC
I am ALWAYS right
(Anonymous)
2007-10-25 12:59 pm UTC (link)
Let's follow these 2 rules and we'll be fine

1) NMP Thio is always right
2) If NMP Thio is wrong, refer back to rule 1

I think I know why she's so pro 337A - cos she's A NUS prof.

Times like this makes me feel proud to be a NTU-ian

Perhaps NTU should post her speech in their recruitment drive:
"If their Law Prof can say this, guess what you'll learn from the rest !"

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Re: I am ALWAYS right - (Anonymous), 2007-10-26 04:12 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2007-10-25 05:46 pm UTC (link)
"Thio doesn't have to worry about being burned at the stake"

hahaha wtf is she talking about! Isn't Christianity the only religion to have burnt people at the stake?!

-alex

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DOWN WITH THIO-cracy!!!
(Anonymous)
2007-10-25 05:53 pm UTC (link)

Molly, you might like to know that this is being circulated in law school:

DOWN WITH THIO-cracy!!!

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Hopped via some Facebook party thingum
[info]definitiv
2007-10-26 02:50 am UTC (link)
Maybe she had been spurned by sexual minorities earlier on in her illustrious life? Surely only affairs of the vagina can trigger such vitriol

That said, I don't see anything mildly amusing in this. There is a need to excommunic-, I mean, execute.

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Burn on a stake?
(Anonymous)
2007-10-26 04:09 am UTC (link)
Quote: "I speak, at the risk of being burned at the stake by militant activists. But if we don’t stand for something, we will fall for anything. I was raised to believe in speaking out for what is right, good and true, no matter the cost."

Ms Thio think too highly about herself. People who were condamn to death by fire in the past were those whom the society think they are too powerful and a thread to the community. These people are witches, werewolves and their families, Joan of Arc, etc.

Ms Thio's arguement does not qualify her for such priviledge at all. What I see from her speech and comments from the public was "How the hell did this idoiot got into the University, teaching our kids crap and manage to take part in parliamentary debate?"

It really brings in the question of how the garment actually select its capable and elites for important positions that affect people's live. Her arguement is not the true reflection of her heart but a comourflage of her true agenda, which explin its inconsistency and flawed argeuement, given the opportunity man on the street overturn her implications easily.

So LHL finding difficulties in getting people to join him in his cause for Singapore, so he started to get in Tom Dick and Harry as long as they possess paper certificates of certain levels? needs to re-strategise in his search.

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Re: Burn on a stake? - (Anonymous), 2007-10-27 03:34 pm UTC
Re: Burn on a stake.....my ass is laughing - (Anonymous), 2007-10-27 03:35 pm UTC
Interesting read..
(Anonymous)
2007-11-03 01:39 am UTC (link)
An interesting read on homophobia..

http://www.trueu.org/Academics/ProfsOffice/OfficeHours/A000000311.cfm

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Poor Molly!
(Anonymous)
2007-11-09 01:07 pm UTC (link)
The situation draws the worst in you. Sigh!

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