mollymeek ([info]mollymeek) wrote,
@ 2007-06-11 11:40:00
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Another Non-reply: We don't force NSmen to buy insurance
Following the MOE's non-reply to Alfian Sa'at regarding the termination of his relief teaching position, the Mindef (as if not to be outdone), has written a non-reply of sorts regarding the compensation of NSmen, which does nothing but re-state the current situation and claiming that it's fair. These letters are really beautifully crafted works of art that needs to be exhibited in the Museum of Empty Verbosity.

Mindef's Colonel Benedict Lim has written to the press about the compensation for injured NSmen and the dependants of deceased NSmen. Colonel Lim, or whoever the scholar penning the letter for him is, articulately informs and educates us that the Mindef "has a comprehensive framework of compensations." For instance, Mindef provides up to three components of payout when an NSman dies:

1. "The first is a base-level death compensation of up to $111,000, in line with the Ministry of Manpower's Workmen's Compensation Act (WCA)."

2. "The second is a lump sum, death gratuity payment in addition to the payment under the WCA. For full-time national servicemen (NSF) and NSmen, Mindef treats them on par with regular soldiers and will give one year's basic pay for a regular of the same rank.

3. "The third component is additional compensation, given where the circumstances merit such additional compensation."

For the first component, Colonel Lim is merely telling us about a law that not only Mindef is subjected to. One feels the need to ask why the figure provided is the maximum figure whereas no minimum figure is provided. Perhaps a closer look at a part of the Workmen's Compensation Act (WCA) would enlighten us. The minimum sum is actually just $37,000.

But how do we decide how much to compensate the dependants of deceased NSmen? By multiplying their monthly earnings by 108 if they are below 40 years of age, i.e. the deceased's dependants get less than 10 years of what the deceased could possibly earn, without even taking into consideration inflation, bonuses and possible likely pay rises that would come when a conscripted soldier serves his term, finds a real job and earns a real salary. (Most full-time NSmen and reservists are below 40. Don't die when you are 19 years old. The earlier you die, the less the compensation is worth for your dependants.)

To get a sum close to the $111,000, Molly's bad calculations (she failed Math) says that they would have to earn more than a thousand dollars a month. It would seem to Molly that the typical full-time NSmen who earns a meagre allowance would get a sum much closer to $37,000 for the first component and it's terribly misleading for the letter to just include the maximum payout but not the minimum or average payout.

Coming to the second component, the one year's basic pay sounds miserly enough. Put it together with the payout from the first component, and the dependants of a deceased 19 year-old kid (just a year or two older than Molly) will get a sum of money that the deceased might simply earn within a few years had he not died.

While Molly is by no means trying to measure the worth of a life, the concern is that when the deceased NSmen comes from a poor family where poor, retired or retiring parents are awaiting him to work and support the family, is there enough compensation to help the family go by? Perhaps the third component??

But the third component sounds so vague that Molly wonders if there ever are circumstances that merit additional compensation. Well, perhaps some lives are more valuable than others and merit additional compensation when they are lost?

The main problem with Colonel Lim's letter isn't really the way he is telling us about current policies. The main problem is the way he circumvents the issue of insuring NSmen:

"On top of our framework, servicemen can take up the SAF Group Insurance Scheme for additional protection, depending on their personal needs. The premiums are affordable at $1.60 per month for every $10,000 of coverage. Servicemen can opt to cover themselves from $50,000 to $400,000, even after their Operationally Ready Date. Mindef recognises our servicemen have differing needs, and our policy allows them to decide what additional insurance coverage best fits their needs, as opposed to mandating the need for them to purchase insurance coverage."
For a ministry that forcibly conscripts teenagers who have no recourse to conscientious objection, the Mindef is showing itself to have exceptional respect for the freedom of choice NSmen should be allowed to exercise. Well done.

Except that no one is telling you to force NSmen to buy insurance. People are telling you to insure NSmen, dearie. As if paying NSmen meagre allowances (not salaries, even though, without them, the country would supposedly collapse in a similar manner as it would without PAP ministers) wasn't enough, you are expecting to buy insurance and pay premiums for themselves if they want to be more substantially insured.

And oh yes, if an NSman is so distressed by consription that he jumps into the MRT track in depression when he books out, Molly believes that there will be no payout for his dependants. Self-injury. Mindef not liable.

Perhaps there should be a insurance company that insures people against conscription.


More later if Molly is in the mood.



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Mindef and million dollar budget
(Anonymous)
2007-06-11 08:15 am UTC (link)
Lim claims additional insurance premiums are afforable, $1.60 per month. Given there are 20,000 combat fit conscripts, that works out to $384,000 per annual.

This means national servicemen have higher payouts.

Yet Mindef thinks this paltry sum is beyond their means.

How do you tell NSFs their welfare is paramount?

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Re: Mindef and million dollar budget
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-11 08:13 pm UTC (link)
Ah, I think he didn't say $1.60 per month wor. $1.60 for every $10,000 of coverage. And the thing about coverage is that you don't know how extensive the coverage is.

Since when were NSFs told that their welfare is paramount? They are only told that they have to serve or go to jail.

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Re: Mindef and million dollar budget
[info]jemauvais
2007-06-13 01:34 pm UTC (link)
The Army says that all the time: that your welfare is important to them.

But on the ground, it's all just rhetoric.  I really don't think the higher-ups are aware that the much vaunted Army welfare are along the lines of a notebook and photo album in your "Welcome Pack", and the flexibility to choose the insurance that the Army refuses to buy for you.

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Re: Mindef and million dollar budget
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-13 04:04 pm UTC (link)
If the welfare of NSmen is paramount to the Army, then perhaps these NSmen shouldn't have been NSmen in the first place.

The higher-ups aren't aware? I think they could be aware of it to some extent, but happen to think that they are already been terribly nice to soldiers. Or they simply can't be bothered, not with things that don't help them get promoted faster and get paid more. They can't be totally unaware because all higher-ups must have been lower-downs at some point right? Even a general must have started off as a recruit.

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Re: Mindef and million dollar budget
[info]jemauvais
2007-06-13 05:53 pm UTC (link)
Yes, they all started off as a recruit at one point, but they also started off as a scholar, or as a WH, or both.

This is what the rest of us mean by 同人不同命.


To be fair, we can't use the argument that the best welfare for NSFs is no NSF.  I mean, the principle behind NSF does have its merits and is rather indispensible to the nation.  But there is a marked delta between the principle and the implementation.

I think that if only the Army recognised that NSFs were people being compelled to do what most would rather not, instead of merely looking at them as an exploitable cheap resource, if they bothered to seriously and genuinely think of how to make the NSF experience better and more productive with less disruption to the conscripts' lives, the welfare could be better tailored to the conscripts needs instead of merely being a white elephant.  I think that even sorting out simple headaches like allowing recruits in BMT to charge their handphones and not restricting the supply of toilet paper (seriously, what is the cost of allowing 3000 recruits to charge their handphones once a week compared to Mindef's multi-million dollar budget?  Especially since they recently wayang-ed about how they installed this fibre optic undersea cable to connect The Island's power supply to the national power grid on the mainland) would be better appreciated as welfare and display the Army's humane side, than exhortations by Commanding Officers to buy insurance to protect themselves.

Believe it or not, I actually heard a CO remark once that NSFs were conscripts, and as conscripted personnel, they were technically allowed to be worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, since they didn't fall under the Employment Act.  And therefore, letting them train only until 9 p.m. and letting them book-out on weekends was considered a form of welfare.  Fortunately, he only said it in passing, but it really gives you an insight on the way some of them think.

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Re: Mindef and million dollar budget
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-13 06:12 pm UTC (link)
I don't quite believe in the indispensability of conscription, but that's another story altogether.

I have actually heard someone saying that NS personnel are supposed to be ready to work 24/7 for the SAF and any incentives they get are, well, incentives. (There's this whole thing about everything being turned into "a privilege and not an entitlement," isn't there?) He said it rather earnestly.

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(Anonymous)
2007-06-11 08:48 am UTC (link)
Well done!

Thank goodness Benedict Lim has friends or has he?

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[info]mollymeek
2007-06-11 08:14 pm UTC (link)
Of course he has friends. It's not as if he were Molly who has to depend on the kindness of strangers.

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(Anonymous)
2007-06-11 09:10 am UTC (link)
if they can tell us to go back for mobilization and pay us our rank pay, i find there no reason why they cannot afford to fork out that bit more to provide the insurance cover for the people who are defending the nation. Spend less on one missile and maybe we can pay for some people already?

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[info]mollymeek
2007-06-11 08:15 pm UTC (link)
Maybe they don't want NSmen to develop a crutch mentality.

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Enough already
(Anonymous)
2007-06-12 01:19 am UTC (link)
It's getting a little tiresome listening to the same ditty once and again .... No, not from Mindef, but from you, Molly!

You fancy yourself some heroine speaking up for the masses against the powers that be, ridiculing people and institutions whom and which you paint in an entirely unobjective light. You are nothing short of seditious -- a pity you're probably some middle-class whinger sitting in the air-con comforts of your room, blogging all this, remote from most of the issues you seem to champion.

If you're not happy, pack your bags and that the next flight out of Singapore!

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Re: Enough already
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-12 01:55 am UTC (link)
Then get lost and don't read.

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Re: Enough already
(Anonymous)
2007-06-12 02:49 am UTC (link)
I wish I could "get lost" and not read more of this inane ramblings. Unfortunately, I've got a job to do...

Besides, it is a most feeble argument. You have nothing but criticism for articles and letters printed in the press, yet you seem to be lapping them up (if only to have your go at them). It sounds ludicrous, right? - "not happy with the non-replies, get lost and don't read!"

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Re: Enough already
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-12 02:58 am UTC (link)
I don't know if you are the same person, but it wasn't an argument. It was a suggestion.

I can't get lost and not read all the articles and letters because I have to keep touch with current affairs. I have nothing against news articles and letters, but I also have a right to voice my opinions about them, no matter how subjective, stupid, bimbotic or what not. If I don't like Xiaxue, I can stop reading her. But if I don't like what is being reported, I can't be an ostrich and hide from things that can affect me as a citizen. There is a difference.

If you have a job to do, then I'm sorry. But I'm not the one forcing you to read, so at least don't blame me on that count.

I hope your job doesn't require you to check the posts so regularly. And I certainly hope that your job doesn't require you to laboriously post comments here.

Good day.

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Re: Enough already
(Anonymous)
2007-06-12 03:00 am UTC (link)
You "have a job to do"?

Oh, by that, do you mean, you're some spy from the Joint Intelligence Directorate from MINDEF? Ooooooooooooooooooh. Pissing in our pants.

Seriously, I think you're the person who should pack your bags and leave. Lame. If everyone's who's not happy can pack our bags and leave, very soon, Singapore will have NO (Non, none, zilch, zero!) resources left. Oh, there's still foreign talent!

And of course the only real Singaporeans left will be our ministers and their families HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.

Clarence

P.S.: Excuse-moi, do you have a name?

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Re: Enough already
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-12 09:25 am UTC (link)
Hehe, isn't it strange that someone like Molly who doesn't like certain aspects of certain things in Singapore has to pack up and leave, but someone who doesn't like a particular blog is cannot just leave (nothing to pack up)?

But if there is really a strong belief that people who don't like it here should just pack up and leave, I hope that there will be Free Migration Agreements (just like Free Trade Agreements) that will help to facilitate the process.

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Re: Enough already
(Anonymous)
2007-06-13 08:35 am UTC (link)
Well done, Molly

The brainswashed population who constantly advocates 'if you don't like it, leave' have been vanquished. Like do they realize when they utter such statements, it is tantamount to sedition. Just imagine CSJ telling LKY that. The laughs on you - the people who thinks it's a paradise they are inhabiting.

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Re: Enough already
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-13 11:49 am UTC (link)
Actually, Molly is a secret supporter of "If you don't like it, leave." She has always admitted to being a quitter.

But some "if you don't like it, leave" advocates simply mean, "Shut up, because you don't have the power to change anything."

These people are really jeering at you for your inability to leave when they are asking you to leave. If you finally do get to leave, they will change their tune and accuse you of being a limp quitter who doesn't stay to fight the odds. In short, when you stay and fight for yourself, you are a whiner who doesn't know how to appreciate the great things of Singapore. When you leave, you are a wimp who doesn't fight for yourself.

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Re: Enough already
(Anonymous)
2007-06-12 02:20 am UTC (link)
tsk, tsk, tsk. which papanon is this? scums-in-white or simply running dogs? there is nothing wrong with being a middle-class and championing for causes that do not directly affect yourself. (didn't a bhavani admonish mr brown for airing his own grievances?)if you're not happy reading this blog, close up the tab and surf other sites.

but seriously, i think to rise up the civil service ranks, one has to be skilled in writing empty non-replies. when i was younger, i honestly thought these replies showed the gabramen was doing the right things. and i came from one of the top jcs too. i guess our gp teachers should really incorporate these non-replies in the teaching curriculum...

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Re: Enough already
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-12 02:59 am UTC (link)
You want your teachers to endd up like Alfian ah?

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Re: Enough already
(Anonymous)
2007-06-13 07:20 am UTC (link)
no lah. learning how to write non-replies is good what. can apply for civil service jobs later: "see. i got a A1 for the non-reply module in gp..."

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Re: Enough already
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-13 11:35 am UTC (link)
Orh, you were talking about a non-reply module. I still thought you were saying that GP teachers need to teach students how to see through non-replies. Yeah, a how-to module is good. In fact, it would make a great Project Work component.

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Re: Enough already
(Anonymous)
2007-06-13 08:42 am UTC (link)
Enough Already is Enough.

What gives you the right to tell other Singaporeans to pack up and leave. Are you a Singaporean by default? i.e. you and your parents are not Singaporeans by birth. If so, then you were a real quitter of the country that gave you the hospital to be born in, or in the eyes of some people a real traitor.

And if you are sick, go see Papa Doc. Don't come into Molly's blog and start raving like a big bad pampered lap dog of WISCers.

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Re: Enough already
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-13 11:37 am UTC (link)
What are WISCers?

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Re: Enough already
(Anonymous)
2007-06-13 08:55 am UTC (link)
You get lost yourself. What right do you have to tell another Singaporean to leave. For your brainswashed head, this Pap inspired tactic to silence dissenters has run off its course. Just imagine you are CSJ and Molly is LKY; the sedition is on you, clever rabble

So we have a self inferred elite talking down on our beloved Molly. Scratch his eyes out Molly.

By the way, if you check your family history, your ancestors probably came with just the shirt on his back only to have you, his descendent speaking in the same way that made him decide to leave his home country by the very so called elites of his time. Wake up! unfilial one.

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Re: Enough already
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-13 11:56 am UTC (link)
Molly doesn't scratch. She was declawed at birth.

But it's OK. It is not the work of bimbotic kittens, but the work of intelligent dictators and their intellectually impoverished cronies, to use violence against their opponents. (Disclaimer: No reference to any real persons or entities, living or dead, is intended.)

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post another question to Col
(Anonymous)
2007-06-12 06:48 am UTC (link)
I don't know if you could post your questions to the good Col in straits Times? Then we can see if the million dollars people will answer?

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Re: post another question to Col
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-12 09:20 am UTC (link)
Answer? Well, I think if they answer, they will do so in the following steps.

Step 1: Thank the bugger letter writer for her feedback.

Step 2: State that the current payout is very comprehensive.

Step 3: Assure the bugger letter writer that Ministry X takes her feedback very seriously. Say also that Ministry X will continue to review its policies frequently and will not hesitate to implement changes when necessary.

Step 4: Thank the person for her feedback again, preferrably in a tone that suggests a closure to the issue.

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SAF insurance
(Anonymous)
2007-06-12 03:54 pm UTC (link)
Molly Molly Molly,

Please don't take away from insurance sales from chow recruits in BMT. During BMT, our only relak time was 1hr, sitting in the mph listening to the insurance salesman and after that to the OO, who gave us his home number to call him if we were ill treated (last time no hp).
If you take away the insurance salesman talk, then the poor recruits will only get 30min free to listen to the OO.
And then NTUC will go broke because they cannot take the NSFs money. Then they cannot increase their prices to absorb GST. They can only increase their prices, and charge GST, and also NETS.
Think of the poor managers in NTUC who rely on the insurance commission to give their elite children a holiday in Scotland this year. You wouldn't want to deprive a poor elite child a holiday overseas would you?


Insens

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Re: SAF insurance
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-12 05:46 pm UTC (link)
Not taking away the sales time mah. Who is to stop recruits from taking additional insurance apart from what their conscripters insure them for?

OO = Obese Ogre?

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Re: SAF insurance
[info]pkchukiss
2007-06-21 12:59 am UTC (link)
OO is an acronym for Orientation Officer, usually a retired officer serving in the capacity of a welfare counsellor for new recruits. They can go up to him if their instructors have been abusing them. I'm quite surprised at how much authority they have over the 2LTs there.

Anyway, it is obvious that Benerdict is skirting the issue as usual. I don't believe that it will prevent MINDEF from buying that hot submarine if they squirrel away some money to buy in-service accident coverage for combat NSF and NSmen: with the government so willing to invest in defence, and the golden mouths ever-ready to emphasise on the importance of conscription as our defence capability, it won't kill them to get something commercial companies buy for their staff for free!

It is someone's life we're talking about here!

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Re: SAF insurance
[info]mollymeek
2007-06-21 07:33 am UTC (link)
Orientation indeed. Hehe. Of course he has authority over the LTs. Even if he's retired, he is of higher rank and he can still screw up people's lives.

Who cares about human lives. It's all about saving money so that some people's pockets will not get smaller.

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