mollymeek ([info]mollymeek) wrote,
@ 2007-04-13 02:56:00
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Can the PAY hike go beyond dollars and cents??
Dr. Balakrishnan has clarified that PM Lee did not make his decision to donate his pay hike under pressure:

"I want to categorically tell everybody that this was not a decision which he made under pressure. This was a conscious, deliberate decision made by Prime Minister using his heart and head to make what I believe was a wonderful gesture." (CNA)

[Wah, you cannot just tell us ah? Must tell us "categorically" some more. Very cheem leh.]

As I mentioned in an earlier post, we could/can only speculate. But does Dr. Balakrishnan's clarification clear all doubt for us?

Dr. Balakrishnan says that PM Lee made the decision "quite some time ago," which is anything but clear. After all the decision to increase the pay of ministers must have been made quite some time ago too and the reaction of people - online, especially - has been going for quite some time too. Thus, even if the decision had been made immediately after the government had reached a decision on the pay hike, the decision could well have been made after people have already expressed their unhappiness about it. Does it mean that it wasn't made under pressure? I don't think so. It is at least partly a political move - the fact that the Cabinet discussed the discssion (as CNA reports) and the fact that the decision is announced makes it political.

It seems to me that Dr. Balakrishnan himself unwittingly testifies to how the decision is a political move when he tells the media that whether he donates his own pay hike or not is a private matter when he says:


"I will follow the Prime Minister's advice in that we do not believe in ostentatious generosity. Generosity should be a private matter, and something which all of us should do out of our own discretion. So I don't think any minister is going to engage in this public ostentatious display of generosity." (CNA)


So, I suppose the decision isn't so private for PM Lee since he's so transparent and public about his donation.

That said, I am actually inclined to believe that it is quite likely that PM Lee wasn't making the decision under pressure even if it was a politically invested decision. He doesn't have to succumb to pressure. Yet, neither do I believe that the people's unhappiness about the pay hike was in no way a factor that influenced his decision. His heart, head, mind, soul, libido and whatnot might have told him to do so. But why at this point? He could well have afforded to donate a huge chunk of his income to charity even with his pre-hike salary if he had the heart, head, etc to do so.

The irony is that perhaps people really want him to be making the decision because of their unhappiness. No doubt, people would accuse him of trying to do damage control or save face, but at least he would be showing that in Singapore, the people still have a certain influence. However, the government could have taken yet another unwise step by adamantly refusing to concede that the people's reactions played a part. Certain things are perhaps best left ambiguous.

But Molly is not a politician, so perhaps what she considers to be political acumen could simply be silly bimboticism. There is a reason why she's not earning $100k per month.

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Other issues that Dr. Balakrishnan raised include his disapproval of the way people have linked the pay hike to public assistance. While Molly has her own reservations about making the link, Molly hopes that Dr. Balakrishnan and his colleagues would reflect on his words. According to him, an old, destitute person who has no family and lives alone could receive about $2000 worth of assistance (including housing, healthcare and transport subsidies) per month and then went on to say something that doesn't quite follow:

"So, if you total up everything, money is not the issue. The issue is outreach, the issue is coming up with innovative scheme, making sure we do the right thing, making sure that help reaches the right people. So, that's what I want to focus on and that's what I want to get people to go beyond just dollars and cents."


There are several points that can be raised here:

1. People link the public assistance scheme to ministers pay because those on the scheme could barely survive on that amount - they might not even have three full meals a day - and the total monetary worth of the assistance this poor person receives does not matter. It remains that s/he does not have enough and that's what people are criticizing.

2. If a poor person with absolutely nothing gets about $2000 worth of assistance and still can barely cope, what about those who have a job that pays way below $2000 but get little or no assistance? Those who draw a $800 salary and get Workfare benefits? Those who draw a $1500+ salary but who do not get Workfare benefits? What happens to these people? Making sure that help reaches the right people, Dr.? But how about making sure that enough help reaches the right people?

3. If people should go beyond just dollars and cents, perhaps the government should set an example first? Why is it that the government talks mainly about salaries when it talks about attracting and retaining talents in the civil and administrative service? There are many factors involved in making a job attractive - not just dollars and cents. (As I suspected and as my readers have commented, people seem to have left the civil service because they are simply too disillusioned with it and some leave it for lower-paying jobs.)

Or is it just the people who should go beyond dollars and cents? We are the ones who should take any job, take any pay, take whatever comes our way?

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Finally, Dr. Balakrishnan has this to say:

"If Singapore were to go down in the future because we're unable to have the best possible civil service and the leadership for that civil service in place, the people who would suffer most, the people who would be bereft of all the social support that they deserve and need, would be the very people who are at greatest risk, at the bottom of the socio- economic ladder."


In short, it's the same old talent argument. (The words "talent" and "special" are over-used and sound too elevated. "Best" sounds better, perhaps?)

Since it's the same old argument, Molly is not going to provide the same old rebuttal. But she would just like to say that maybe what we need is really a Singapore that will not go down even if it doesn't have the best civil service and a government that claims to be the best.

Or maybe that's what we already have ... But if so, no one in the government is going to admit it, as far as I see.



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(Anonymous)
2007-04-12 10:16 pm UTC (link)
Molly's robust critique makes Balakrishnan look like a clown and quotations of what he said, sound like crap.

In my view, the decisions and issues surrounding the pay hike and donation to whatever... show that greed can rear its ugly head in different forms.

When will this government admit it cannot be right all the time??

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[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 03:35 am UTC (link)
If you push it to a corner, it might say that they are normal humans after all, and are hence not infallible.

Let's just pay these normal, fallible human beings more money, lest they become less than normal.

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$-Philes
(Anonymous)
2007-04-12 10:30 pm UTC (link)

Molly, molly, molly...

I have a theory. 2 different, separate theories actually.

Theory 1. They are increasing their own salaries because they are not so much afraid of losing their 'elites', they are afraid of their 'elites' joining the opposition party and giving them credibility. Don't forget, PAP was the opposition party at one time too. But this theory doesn't hold as much water as the second theory because as long as they increase the pay, even if the 'elites' join opposition parties, they will still see the pay when they go into office. Hence the second theory.

Theory 2. They KNOW that they are going to lose many seats in the next election. They KNOW that they've already robbed Singaporeans blind and this is the last chance for them. So they increase their pay to get one last swipe before they get kicked out.

There is one fact, that I think Molly should write about.
The PAP is NOT the civil service. The civil service is NOT the PAP. Sadly the line has been smeared so badly that the civil service think they are serving the PAP rather than Singapore.
The Civil Service should see increments. When I say Civil Service, I mean the teachers, soldiers, policemen, firefighters, clerks, middle managers...etc. But the people who are really getting the increments are the top ranks, the ministers... who are NOT civil servants, but part of the ruling party.
In other countries, where REAL democracy is practiced and where there is FREE press, the ruling party comes and goes, but the civil servants always STAY the SAME.

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Re: $-Philes
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 12:20 am UTC (link)
I'd like to disagree with you comment "Theory 2. They KNOW that they are going to lose many seats in the next election. They KNOW that they've already robbed Singaporeans blind and this is the last chance for them. So they increase their pay to get one last swipe before they get kicked out."

Singaporeans are just too stupid to not believe the PAP propaganda. You'd expect them to be wiser by now, but no. Come next elections, the gahmen just have to give them some "incentives" and all will be forgiven and forgotten. After the elections (when they are back in power, loosing little or no seats), they increase everything our living depends on and the only thing we stupid peons would do is complain.

We are just too stupid and the PAP knows it and uses it time and time again. So there'll be no change in the next elections, contrary to what we would like to believe. Although I'd like to be proven wrong but judging by how we vote during the past 3 elections I really doubt the next one will be any different.

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Re: $-Philes - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-13 03:42 am UTC
Re: $-Philes - (Anonymous), 2007-04-14 06:10 am UTC
Re: $-Philes - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-14 11:29 am UTC
Re: $-Philes - (Anonymous), 2007-04-13 08:12 am UTC
Re: $-Philes
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 12:29 am UTC (link)
Oh yea, I forgot. Dr. Vivian's "arguments" have always been full of holes. I mean everything he said is either ridiculous or just plain silly. I mean even if a bimbo like Molly (no offense Molly :P) can break every argument he makes at every "press conference" what more can we thinking Singaporeans do.

I'm still amazed that after so many foul-ups in his arguments (time and time again), the PAP still allows him to be their "spokes person".

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Re: $-Philes - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-13 03:44 am UTC
Re: $-Philes - (Anonymous), 2007-04-14 03:47 am UTC
Re: $-Philes - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-14 03:58 am UTC
Re: $-Philes - (Anonymous), 2007-04-14 06:13 am UTC
Re: $-Philes - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-14 11:29 am UTC
Re: $-Philes - (Anonymous), 2007-04-15 12:01 pm UTC
Re: $-Philes
[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 03:40 am UTC (link)
Yes, the civil service isn't the PAP or the government.

Teachers, policemen, perhaps all deserve a pay hike. And I think the pay of these people could increase significantly without so much controversy. We need good teachers too, so why not attract and retain good teachers with a $10k pay hike, which is nothing like a $600k pay hike?

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[info]e_rambler
2007-04-13 12:47 am UTC (link)
Actually I think the link is logical - it's the people's money being disbursed to the people, be they the destitute or the people in power...

But your point sbout $2,000 being barely enough has ertainly struck home - I had not thought of it that way and now that I do, it's even more depressing =\

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[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 03:46 am UTC (link)
The link is there, though I think the connection is not direct and people don't always make the link clear. Hence the accusations of them being emotional...

God knows what those who live alone and earn less than $2000 a month, but have no assistance do...

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Truly from his heart?
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 01:22 am UTC (link)
It is stupid to ask such question. Anyone in their right mind will never admit that it is out of desperation that such action is taken.

I agree with you totally, it is more than money that people enter politics. You for instance do not come into politics because you are obscenely paid. Yet isn't it strange that Singapore resort to paying high salaries to hire able hands? What is the cause of this?

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How would you expect people to get interested when once they come in, you tie up both their hands and legs. Individualism has to be removed for the "common cause" set by LKY.

Who is willing to part with their "hard earn money"? So far other than our beloved PM, all ministers adopted a generic answer set by Vivien, " this is a private matter."

So it is still a noble thing that PM Lee has done after all, sacrifices his pay rise so that his people(Thy Ministers ) can benefit. In the process try to shut the mouth of others with his moral high ground.

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Re: Truly from his heart?
[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 03:54 am UTC (link)
While no politician will admit that it's done out of desperation, they could have left it ambiguous instead of alienating more people by sending the implicit message: "We didn't do it just because you people are protesting." These people are politicians. They should know how to phrase things cleverly.

I guess anyone who enters poliitics will be tied up in some ways... every party has a sort of agenda (don't mean it negatively here) and its members will more or less have to go in a certain direction. It's just a pity that people (think they) can't make a difference by joining opposition parties; and can't do anything differently if they join the PAP...

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On Paying Sky High Salaries For Followers
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 01:27 am UTC (link)
Immediately after independence, civil service and ministerial pay while never heavenly, was stable and decent. What cleaned up the civil service was the understanding and new reality that corruption, big or small, will not be tolerated. This applies to competency. This is the key point. Pay scales were never an issue because those who disagreed usually pack their bags to seek greener pastures.

When the British Colonial Government was forced to expend political power to tackle the issue of rampant corruption in the Royal Hong Kong Police, the corruption intolerant ICAC was the most effective answer. It was understood by the (smart) rotten apples that henceforth, corruption and incompetence will not be tolerated. In both cases, there was 'exodus of talent' (you need brains to be a rotten apple too) but the system was stronger once the new zero-corruption reality sets in.

This starts the chicken and egg problem; how to entice the best the join the civil service if we tell them bluntly the salary while decent, ain't worth much?

We often ask 'who is the brightest and best bloke for the job?' It is because we believe only the brightest are good administrators and that results in the inevitable high pay to match their 'talents'.

But this is not necessary the question? Rather, we should ask ourselves, 'who should be doing the job?'

In any political system, the clever leaders listen to the people, solicit advise from advisors but must decide alone.

The politician wants a policy implemented (e.g. fulfill electoral promises) and the administrative service works on the details and implements it. Near supernatural reasoning power is a bonus but not overwhelming requirement. Why so?

It is because good policies are elusive as good forecasts, most forecasts despite the cleverness of forecasters are wrong, so are policies.

Policies work on paper. But what does it takes for a policy to work and be effective? For good policies to be effective policies requires provisions for timely and honest feedback for fine-tuning.

The failures of the Soviet Union and Maoist China are examples of ignoring good feedback; their unprecedented disastrous results were also due in part to their large scale implementation. Mao probably is not an idiot and suffers no idiots who form his policy making team. They underestimated power of honest feedbacks and were overconfident about their own capabilities and organisations, the peasants paid the price ultimately.

Therefore it may not be necessary to hire the smartest and best if timely and honest feedback is the more crucial aspect during early stages of experimentation. This is the most important issue. It further implies that administrators must be competent, honest and stable. Such attributes ensure feedback is truly considered and the affected policy is fine-tuned accordingly. But the valued near supernatural intelligence of administrators is often over-emphasized and prized over other far more important attributes.

Now citizens are told that policies are brainchild of administrative service due to their unrivalled brainpower. Such policies account for the prosperity and therefore their exertion demands top dollars.

This is contrary to the workings of political systems; no politician will allow the civil service to take charge over policies because if they screw up, the politicians themselves get the boot!

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Re: On Paying Sky High Salaries For Followers
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 01:49 am UTC (link)
PAP's logic had been flawed as far as I could remember.

Those who work in the elite service will know that the handful remaining are not the brightest they had. But they were the best bootlickers about town. Mostly "blue-eyed" boys and girls of someone.

Frankly, we really don't need very bright and brilliant civil servants because the job is at best adminstrative. However, we need these people to be public-spirited. Do an honest job because they are the custodians of public wealth. That's where civil servants used to garner respect from the public.

Unfortunately, Singapore is having the worst now. We are paying a bunch of mediocre administrators with world class salaries and yet can't perform.

That's why I hated civil servants who complain that their pay is lower than those in the private sector. They only degrade themselves further by doing so.

I had a teacher who kept telling us how the teaching job is fucked up, how little pay he is getting. We had no respect for him at all. For he who did not see any pride in his own contribution and treasure it, no one will. To me, he is another scum in the teaching service, leeching on the good others have made.

Same goes for those ministers who cry foul over their low pay.

Everyone does things with their eyes open. If serving the nation is a chore to you, dear Minister, you are not cut out for the job. The people know who you are.

Frankly, I am totally flabbergasted with this pay hike thingy. This is probably the government at its ugliest until the next pay hike, that is.

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Re: On Paying Sky High Salaries For Followers - (Anonymous), 2007-04-13 02:01 am UTC
Re: On Paying Sky High Salaries For Followers - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-13 04:11 am UTC
Re: On Paying Sky High Salaries For Followers - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-13 04:06 am UTC
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[info]jinxed_life
2007-04-13 02:43 am UTC (link)
foolish woman! You have not seen the light! You should be banned banished and bankrupted like what that fattyfoo has suggested in his latest entry!

Whereas I have seen the light... I love my government... They can take all they want from me...

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[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 04:09 am UTC (link)
The only sense in which I can be bankrupted is really that I can become a legal bankrupt from an unofficial bankrupt... But maybe it would be good to banish me to a place like Canada, America, some the like... The gahmen should sign Free Migration Agreements with these countries instead of Free Trade Agreements.

Who's fattyfoo, btw?

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(no subject) - [info]jinxed_life, 2007-04-13 06:27 am UTC
Money Face Ministers
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 04:20 am UTC (link)
that vivian or what his name ... (who in the world call himself vivian??), should just go back to his profession and put holes in peoples' head.

nowadays whenever i see ministers or mp on the news or paper, i can only see the DOLLAR SIGN on their face. whatever they are trying to say are lost in those $$$$$$$$ signs.

ice

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Re: Money Face Ministers
[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 04:28 am UTC (link)
But in the first place. are most of them saying anything that will be a loss to us when sunk in the sea of $$$$ signs?

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Re: Money Face Ministers - (Anonymous), 2007-04-13 06:13 am UTC
Re: Money Face Ministers - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-13 05:33 pm UTC
Bravo!
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 05:27 am UTC (link)
SL :)

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Re: Bravo!
[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 05:34 pm UTC (link)
:)

What does SL stand for?

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Re: Bravo! - (Anonymous), 2007-04-13 06:18 pm UTC
Re: Bravo! - (Anonymous), 2007-04-14 01:33 am UTC
Re: Bravo! - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-14 03:57 am UTC
Moral authority.
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 09:58 am UTC (link)
what happens when you feel your PM no longer has any moral authority to rule? And Dr Vivian has to step in to say PM has the moral authority, but you feel that Dr Vivian has no moral authority to say anything either. Neither does Mr teo Chee Hean. I guess we have to tahan and wait for 2011, or wait for PM to announce a reversal of policy soon. I feel a huge vacuum in my heart. Do listen to Thio Li ann speech on the pay issue on CNA again. These lawyers speak damn well - Sylvia, Thio etc.

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Re: Moral authority.
[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Since when did moral authority become relevant to a party that uses defamation suits to crush political opponents and that is elected in elections with most people not voting?

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Aren't We suffering now?
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 11:28 am UTC (link)
We are all suffering now... from higher cost of living, lower quality of lift, stressful job, what's the meaning of life here...even with the present "quality, first class government" officials we have Now? So, why pay more? Dr V means pay them more to remain as good? or better?

During SM Goh CT time we were told to work hard, pay more and aim for Swiss living standard and where are we now? More than a decade and we have not reached Swiss standard but catching up with Swiss cost of living. What is Mr Goh's KPI and what is his appraisal all these here?

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Re: Aren't We suffering now?
[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 05:35 pm UTC (link)
We are special. We will just have the Sing standard of living ($290 per month?)...

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Hee Hee
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 12:24 pm UTC (link)
"we do not believe in ostentatious generosity" but we actually do not mind ostentatious pay.

hee hee

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Re: Hee Hee
[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 05:37 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I think they would very much prefer to to have ostentatious pay either. They would be much happier with a high pay quietly rather than ostentatiously...

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another spin
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 02:27 pm UTC (link)
there is this possibility that the pm heroic sacrifice is not exactly meant to assuage the public but rather, to win support from his 'employees' such as his spokespersons. you see, the public all along has been easy to 'fix' and that can easily be achieved through their resourcefulness. but it is the 'talented' people he has in his team he needs to win over if he is going to stay on top and in charge. lets say nothing brings more tears(except the death of your dog) to your gang than a self sacrificial act for their..ahem.... 'well being' ?

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Re: another spin
[info]mollymeek
2007-04-13 05:39 pm UTC (link)
Just pay the talented people in his team more money lah....

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Haiyah
[info]zut13
2007-04-13 03:32 pm UTC (link)
Actually, I think it's good that he donated but I'd rather he re-route it to a comprehensive social welfare program instead of donating to charity. Maybe I'm naive but this time, I think his intention was sincere.

I just don't see why they have to defend it publicly. If your intentions are sincere, they are sincere lor. And the PM can defend it for himself, why must get someone to defend for him?

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Re: Haiyah
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Because no one believes him anymore, he knows by going thru with this, he lost all moral authority. And he thought Vivian looks better, but Vivian has lost it too, ditto all the ministers who agreed to the pay hike for themselves. This is sad and no one trust them anymore unless they all renounce the Minister pay hike. Civil service pay hike - personally I have no problem with that.

His intention is as sincere as Goh Chok Tong the last time, but now GCT was the one egging him to increase the pay, and while PM Lee is having the pay freeze, SM Goh is enjoying the pay hike. It is a bloody wayang. Soory, no go with me.

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Re: Haiyah - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-13 05:42 pm UTC
Re: Haiyah - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-13 05:41 pm UTC
Creative use of his talent
(Anonymous)
2007-04-13 06:59 pm UTC (link)
This man, VB has learnt the ways of the Taiji masters.

In the Today's news article (http://www.todayonline.com/articles/182971.asp), it was reported that he said:
In fact, his staff has computed that the total value of assistance — including cash hand-outs and subsidies in housing, healthcare and transport to get to medical facilities — that an elderly, destitute person living alone without family support will receive from Government and voluntary help agencies, will come up to nearly $2,000 a month.
Wow, it is now $2,000, from $290.

Only the elderly destitute person will get $2K. The needy people have categories too. If you are not old and not destitute, you will get less (or a lot lesser?). In that $2000 help, how much of it is from Government agencies and how much is from VOLUNTARY agencies. This is assuming if the needy people can find all the government and voluntary help agencies on their own. As for his comments on the PM, are you sure that he is a medical doctor? He is more like a spin doctor.

OK, I will kill the snake last.

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Re: Creative use of his talent
[info]mollymeek
2007-04-14 03:56 am UTC (link)
Maybe he has a double degree?

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Re: Creative use of his talent - (Anonymous), 2007-04-14 09:44 am UTC
Re: Creative use of his talent - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-14 11:25 am UTC
Re: Creative use of his talent - (Anonymous), 2007-04-14 10:30 am UTC
Re: Creative use of his talent - (Anonymous), 2007-04-14 10:40 am UTC
Re: Creative use of his talent - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-14 11:27 am UTC
Re: Creative use of his talent - [info]mollymeek, 2007-04-14 11:26 am UTC
Re: Creative use of his talent - (Anonymous), 2007-04-23 07:19 am UTC
Ask not...
(Anonymous)
2007-04-15 04:09 am UTC (link)
PAP's official party manifesto can be summed up in this famous quote...

"Ask not what the country can do for you, ask how much the country can PAY you"

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Re: Ask not...
(Anonymous)
2007-04-24 06:20 am UTC (link)
I think you have gotten it wrong. It is
"Ask not what the country can do for you but what YOU can do for the country."

Of course the 'YOU' refers to us citizens, mere mortals, as Dr B has been quoted before, asking citizens to contribute to charitable work and don't expect monetary rewards as incentive to do such work.

Question is the 'YOU' don't seem to apply to senior civil servants and ministers. When it comes to their remunerations, it must be competitive to the market. And what is the market is for them to define.

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Poll: 2/3 agree its the right time for minister increment
(Anonymous)
2007-04-15 08:51 am UTC (link)
I read in todays TNP(15 April 2007 edition, "Bitter lesson makes us wiser this time" by Leong Ching) that they conducted a poll amongst 200 people and it seems that most, 2/3 of respondents, agree that this is a good time to raise minister salaries.

i wonder who they polled.

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Re: Poll: 2/3 agree its the right time for minister increment
(Anonymous)
2007-04-15 09:28 am UTC (link)
Obviously the ministers themselves.

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Re: Poll: 2/3 agree its the right time for minister increment - (Anonymous), 2007-04-15 09:30 am UTC
Re: Poll: 2/3 agree its the right time for minister increment - (Anonymous), 2007-04-15 12:41 pm UTC
Re: Poll: 2/3 agree its the right time for minister increment - (Anonymous), 2007-04-24 06:26 am UTC
PERFECTLY TIMED
(Anonymous)
2007-04-15 10:50 am UTC (link)
Milk the cows when the grass is green< slaughter the cows when the grass turns brown before the beefs are gone!!

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Ostentatious
(Anonymous)
2007-04-16 02:40 am UTC (link)
I am happy that Dr Vivian agreed the amount donated by PM Lee was "ostentatious", and we can all clearly see now that the pay raise was "ostentatious" and really out of line with what our ministers should do. That recognition is a step forward for the Singapore politics. Of course it leaves me confused as to how within the same year, GST could go up, minister pay can go up, but our Mr Yaacob (ST today) can hope to sell us the idea that they should not be linked together. I mean, they are not from the same budget, tax payers' money?

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