mollymeek ([info]mollymeek) wrote,
@ 2006-08-24 01:19:00
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The Strategic Uses of "The Population Problem"

For many years already, Singapore is facing the problem of an aging population. This problem is not new at all. But why the recent fuss/farce (sorry, Molly's English isn't very standard) about "the population problem?"

Not long ago, it used to be cast as the problem of an aging population. Now, it is just the population problem. Why?

When politicians talked about the problem of an aging population, the problem is progressive and the problem isn't going to manifest itself greatly in the next 1, 2 or 3 years. When politicians talk about The Population Problem now, it is sounds really immediate. And, indeed, one can conceive of it as an immediate problem. As many people are deciding not to have babies deciding not to have many babies now (I prefer to phrase it this way than to say that people are "not having enough babies"), there will be the problem of an aging population in future.

But is there really no other reason behind the particular enunciation of "The Population Problem" (as exemplified in PM Lee's rally)? Molly is no mind-reader but she posits that the particular expression of the problem that we is a political strategy. Molly previously wrote about the rhetoric of blamelessness and perhaps you detect such a rhetoric in the articulation of The Population Problem.

Several things nicely glossed over, including:
1. The real, immediate problem of the people's unhappiness about the government's foreign talent policy. Now, these foreign talents are known as migrants (or migrants to-be), whether or not there are really that many foreigners migrating to Singapore. In fact, one crucial thing to note is that the foreign talent policy is going to be even more intense than ever now.

2. The brain drain problem. More and more people are leaving for the desert for a pasture; and even more without the resources to do so are looking hungrily to their more privileged counterparts.

The rhetoric of blamelessness is once again at work:

Look, the problem is a population problem and that's because you selfish peasants are not having enough babies.

Notice how the most recent articulation of The Population Problem (quite a few problems conflated, actually) doesn't hold the government responsible for brain drain. It's really globalization and the challenges posed by the digital age that are at fault. It's not the government's policies, not the political climate the PAP has create, not the lack of space for the freedom of expression, not NS, not defamation suits, not sedition charges, not the ISD, not the massive injustices that pull hearts down the Singapore River that have caused people to leave or want to leave. Look, the government is even setting up an Overseas Singaporean Unit to tackle the problem created by globalization and the digital age.

No, it's not a problem created by the globalization and digital age. If anything, they are just helping Singaporeans solve their problems.

Notice how the government's foreign talent policy has become irrefutable. People used to resent the term "foreign talent" because it puts foreigners on the pedestal, but now we can only recuperate it to show the sort of policy that is really taking place. In fact, it's really your fault. You are getting foreign talents because you are not having babies.

Now, does the foreign talent policy really solve the challenges of an aging population?

"Our own population is ageing - current projections show that one-in-five Singaporeans will be over the age of 65 by 2030." (DPM Wong Kan Seng in CNA Interview)


Such a figure can frighten you. And no one will deny that there is cause for concern. The theory is that, as there are more and more old people, an increasingly small population will be supporting the whole population/economy. One assumption here, I think (and correct Molly if she's wrong), is that old people do not work or contribute to the economy.

To rephrase things a bit, the abstract idea seems to be that younger people will be working to support older people who have retired (?) and are no longer working. Is this really going to happen? In a society with a strong social support system, a welfare system in which the the old, retired and penniless get financial support from the state, this sounds bad. Taxes, taxes, taxes for the working. But in Singapore? We will perhaps have old people with fewer children to support them. Or fewer children to sue for maintenance. But what really is the problem?

Would getting more foreign talents solve the problem?

The Singaporeans already here will get old, will lose their jobs even before they are old, will not have enough money for retirement (if they survive till then). And these foreign talents are not the children of Singaporeans. Certainly, 90 year-old old Molly can't be suing an angmoh bloke for maintenance (unless she divorces him, but that's not possible unless she marries him first). And when she looks to the good old gahmen, they will tell her that welfarism is bad.

So what do the solutions solve? With more foreign talents, we will continue to have a vibrant, productive economy yielding beautiful statistics every three months and we will continue to have suffering peasants suffering even more than ever, aged folks in wheelchairs trying to squeeze into wheelchair-friendly buses and trains with recording-breaking crowds, crying, crying, crying for help... More people will leave, even more want to leave. The politics remain unchanged. Foreign talents (especially if they are ever granted dual citizenships) can always go back to their motherland whereas poor old Molly will be blogging her blood dry fearing that she will be charged for sedition at the age of 115.

The three-pronged approach to tackle The Population Problem that is really a bad way of packaging a whole myriad of problems:
1. Encourage marriage and parenthood.

Come on, people are not stupid. DPM Wong, with Molly's better-than-nothing salary, do you think Molly can afford to feed your targeted 2.1 kids (2 mouths and a disintegrated bodily part)?

2. Engage and bond with overseas Singaporeans through the Overseas Singaporean Unit.

Without addressing the very push factors? This could topple the SDU as the worst unit set up by bureaucrats who don't know better or who know better but do not want to do any better for fear of losing their power.

3. Attracting foreigners to become PRs or Singapore citizens.

Well, that helps those who are already Singaporeans a lot?

And let's suppose that we are only attracting really talented and successful foreigners to be PRs and citizens. These are going to be economically advanced people. Even if they stay as PRs or citizens, they could very well send their children back to the old motherland for education (and avoid conscription). Even if their children stay, they are going to be more mobile than Molly (born to a working class family) is. Piss them off and off they go.

So, what are the plans to stop pissing people off?

More Crazy Horse acts? More casinos? More lip service to "opening up?"

An even more stressful 'world class' education system?

Of course, that was supposing that we are attracting really talented and successful foreigners. If we aren't ... well, welcome to the brave new world of more sobbing peasants. PM Lee said that our forefathers were immigrants too, didn't he? And look what we have become. Just look.

Disclaimer. Perhaps Molly's dystopian projections are no more than a fictional account resulting from her over-active imagination and under-nourished rationality. But, ultimately, isn't it interesting to ask: what are the real problems with the population problem?

Meanwhile, if Molly ever gets to be a quitter and some Overseas Singaporean Unit keeps trying to bond with her, she might consider suing for harassment. Because something has disappointed her for too many times. Far too deeply.



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(Anonymous)
2006-08-23 09:21 pm UTC (link)
Visceral and brilliant. It is time to shed the Panglossian worldview and look under the carpet at the real problems. Denying that the problems exist, especially with the belief that they can destabilise Singapore, is futile. Surely the bureaucrats and politicians know of the problems. Perhaps they believe, like the cliche from A Few Good Men, that the peasants can't handle the truth. But maybe, just maybe, the peasants do want to know the real problems, and have the abilities to plug the hole in the ship.

I am sure there are many who would point out that peasants have to join the MIW to make any form of acceptable contribution. Maybe the MIW do want to ensconce themselves in their seat of power above all else. Should Singapore's future be a subject of partisan politics?

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More like they need another solution ...
[info]auntyxinjiabo
2006-08-24 01:21 am UTC (link)
Aunty was not trained in Cambridge nor MIT. My ah lao was.

But I am still scratching my head over this whole population bollocks.

The population problem was there for a long time, Molly agrees.

But, so was this foreign talent policy? I distinctly remember MM Lee getting upset and claimed the idea was mooted by him 10 years ago. That was during the initial stages of introducing the foreign talent policy. I remembered because I had to look up the meaning of the word 'mooted'. MM tends to use very quaint and ancient english words....

After so many years, they should be extolling the benefits of this foreign talent policy .. telling how much GDP had been contributed by our foreign talents, how many talented babies were born to them and how everyone's income had been increasing since their arrival at our shores SO MANY YEARS AGO.

If aunty here can see the policy is not reaping its perceived benefits, largely because foreign talents are talented lah; they run road and find loop holes to benefit themselves instead of contributing, then I seriously think PAP needs another solution. They are barking up the wrong tree like mad dogs.

Perhaps, they really can't think of anything at all. It was a Singapore myth that Singaporeans can govern themselves. We are just low-class peasants spilt over from China but talk big.

This is what some mainland chinese think about us, anyway. Look at our government, I have nothing to retort.

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Re: More like they need another solution ...
(Anonymous)
2006-08-24 01:26 am UTC (link)
Sorry ah, Aunty. I couldn't tell what your tone of writing was. I just burst out laughing after reading your response.

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Re: More like they need another solution ...
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 01:42 am UTC (link)
Perhaps certain things are so sad that one needs to cope via humor.

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Re: More like they need another solution ...
[info]auntyxinjiabo
2006-08-24 02:13 am UTC (link)
Oh dear, I am worried now.

I am not allowed to make people laugh. I want to remain fair not browned. Not to say wasted all my SKII whitenning cream.

The only one who can make people laugh is our PM. His jokes are harm-less.

So, do me a favour - just smile will do :)

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Re: More like they need another solution ...
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 02:23 am UTC (link)
Eh, our smiles are reserved for angmohs coming next month lah. Smile too much now hor, later run out of smiles how?

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Re: More like they need another solution ...
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 01:42 am UTC (link)
Maybe it's not that we can't govern ourselves but that, unfortunately, history has it that the wrong people are governing at the wrong time and for the wrong amount of time.

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Re: More like they need another solution ...
(Anonymous)
2007-02-22 02:53 pm UTC (link)
This tiny dot can be outsourced to be managed, should not be a problem if the CEO is paid millions of sin dollars and Assistant CEOs are paid a few thousand less only. Some ex American Presidents and academics may jump at the opportunity.

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[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 01:31 am UTC (link)
Peasants really can't handle the truth. They can't take the truth without a desire to drive the MIW out. Thus, they shouldn't e allowed to access the truth.

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foreign talent and NS and my 3 sons
(Anonymous)
2006-08-24 01:33 am UTC (link)
As a father of 3 boys, I know the joys of fatherhood, and I know the government has not done enough to help me. And in the future, my 3 boys will go to NS, while those foreign talents will enjoy the fruits of this country sans NS. And when their children are of age, they will go away and thank me and my sons for providing them a safe 'hotel' to live in. I wish the govt could give us fathers more cash grants (not new fathers, but current fathers!), free education to all Singaporean children up to tertiary education, more pay for their NS for doing a good job, so that more Singaporeans will have more children. I wish the government will pay for my parents medical fees as they paid their taxes in the past. Why squirrel away the reserves for the future so that more future immigrants can use it?? Molly you are right - I do not know how to express my angst clearly enough.

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Re: foreign talent and NS and my 3 sons
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 01:51 am UTC (link)
Molly hopes she empathizes even if you do not express it clearly. Just consider if you really want them to give fathers cash grants and give more pay for NS and so on. Maybe. Maybe not. But by expressing your angst as such, it is as good as saying that certain (relatively) superficial changes to the current system by the current people in power can improve your life immensely. Would you feel so much angst if the problems were so "simply" (so to speak) solved?

Perhaps as the father of three boys, you have enough life experience in Singapore to know that there's always a catch. They can perhaps follow your suggestions and present you with a truck of catches that ultimately preserves the status quo and deepens your frustrations.

Some call it the "move one step forward, take one/two steps back" phenomenon. Maybe? Constant movement gives the false impression of dynamism to a stagnating system. But in constantly movement, it has lost you. But, not to worry, this loss will be replenished by foreign talents.

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Sayonara Singapore
(Anonymous)
2006-08-24 02:15 am UTC (link)
"So, what are the plans to stop pissing people off?"

You are so right. THey sooo piss me off. I've wasted 38 years of my life on this little red dot, slaving for a gov that I did not choose (never had the chance to vote), who is sooo disconnected from the people - that it's not funny, and whose burgeoning arrogance is really unbelievable.

Why can't they just admit they f*cked up the population with their earlier policies (Stop at Two, Graduate Mother Scheme, etc). But do they stop at sucking the life out of us? No...they go on to suck us dry of resources to look after our families as well. Now they blame us when we do not mindlessly procreate to provide them with more slaves. They buy their slaves from overseas now.

Well, they'll be three slaves short next month when I leave this place for good with my family. Sayonara Singapore.

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Re: Sayonara Singapore
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 02:26 am UTC (link)
Congratulations. 你上岸了!
Remember when you are on the plane, don't look back down. It's inauspicious. (Remember what inmates will tell their fellow prisoners when they are about to be released? Walk straight away and don't turn back.)

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Re: Sayonara Singapore
(Anonymous)
2006-08-24 06:39 am UTC (link)
Good for you! Enjoy the benefits of a truly global home, i.e. make the world your home.

Singapore is really a little red dot in many respects, mainly because it constrains your dreams and makes you a money making souless robot.

The grass can be greener on the other side, we will have to go there to find out.

lunatic_fringe

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Re: Sayonara Singapore
[info]voctir
2006-08-25 01:27 pm UTC (link)
They buy their slaves from overseas now.

Perhaps they don't buy slaves from overseas. It seems more like they choose slaves and make us slaves pay for these extra slaves (who are better paid than us).

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Re: Sayonara Singapore
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-25 02:00 pm UTC (link)
But these new slaves seem to be higher-class slaves--at least until the become citizens.

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[info]chrisloup
2006-08-24 02:41 am UTC (link)
"Our own population is ageing - current projections show that one-in-five Singaporeans will be over the age of 65 by 2030." (DPM Wong Kan Seng in CNA Interview)


^^^ why is this the peasant's problem? If I were a breeder, I would have given up breeding, the population problem is NOT my problem, I'm not the million dollar paid minister ^^^
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anyway, I think at least 3 letters to the forum/voices have voiced out population/breeding failure = cost of living increasing...wonder whether bhavani will lay down the smack down on such sacrilegious views.

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[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 02:54 am UTC (link)
Forum letter writers are not journalists lah. But I suppose she can clarify that it is not the role of editors to allow letters that campaign for or against the government to be published.

Speaking of non-breeders, I can only foresee that the space for them will only grow smaller with what plans to "encourage" marriage and parenthood.

During the next family get-together:
Relative: When are you going to get married?
Non breeder: When they make it legal for me to...

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[info]chrisloup
2006-08-24 03:07 am UTC (link)
--how to stay in the closet--

During the next family get-together:
Relative: When are you going to get married?
Non breeder: When its affordable to do so...

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this one no go ...
[info]auntyxinjiabo
2006-08-24 04:35 am UTC (link)
Affordability is a non-issue. See what happened to the medical bills?

A survey concluded that the medical bills are affordable lah. Never was a problem!

A survey will soon conclude that having children is very affordable too.

Do we have a ministry of surveys? Or we are aiming to be a survey hub.

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Re: this one no go ...
(Anonymous)
2006-08-24 04:55 am UTC (link)
No lah. Not the survey ministry, but the downgrade advisory ministry.

Like instead of getting your fiancée a diamond ring, this MIW downgrade advisory ministry can come out with various campaigns and advertisement to show us how we can also do this with a coke can ring.

Like instead of your in-law demanding 20 tables in some don’t know how many stars hotel for your wedding dinner, the downgrade advisory ministry can get counseling lessons for those in-laws and lecturing them how some 3rd world villagers only have 2~3 tables served with home-made dishes so please don’t demand too much hor.

The downgrade advisory ministry also can work hand in hand with Poly or NTU to come out with some wedding dress called the new-gown or what that make from recycled fibers gathered from our poo poo. So that it don’t suka suka cost you few hundreds of dollars even if it is just for rental.

The downgrade advisory ministry also can help import in a few Paris street artists to draw portraits for newly wedded to replace the si pek exp nowadays themed photo albums. Beside if one day that artist up the lorry then maybe your portrait suddenly worth millions over night also possible.

Last but not least, the downgrade advisory ministry can also suggest the newly wedded to ship to some place like JB, Bintan or Batam to buy their home. Housing and cost of living should be si pek cheap there one according to some next life cockroach, beside only few hours of journey if they wanna travel to the little red dot. Not to mention the cost of breeding in those places is much lower too.

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Re: this one no go ...
(Anonymous)
2006-08-24 06:53 am UTC (link)
What a dumb ministry. Should help NS men downgrade lah. So easy also dunno!

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Re: this one no go ...
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 09:22 am UTC (link)
Help NS men downgrade?? Maybe downgraded NS men will be sent to a particular camp where they can make babies (not with one another, of course) unless when their medical status indicate that they are infertile.

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Re: this one no go ...
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 09:21 am UTC (link)
Downgrade Advisory Ministry is not the right name. Probably not the right tactic too. I think they will just come up with a "Remaking Sex Committee." Think of ideas of how to have people mass produce the next generation of peasants, preferrably who do not do bad things like blogging.

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Re: this one no go ...
[info]chrisloup
2006-08-24 05:14 am UTC (link)
affordable providing subsistent style living is what you are contented with...

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anyway, who doesn't want to retire if they can afford too..

Singaporeans want later retirement age: Survey
Poll shows 41% ready to work past age of 62
Friday • June 16, 2006
Sheralyn Tay
sheralyn@newstoday.com.sg

Singaporeans are ready and willing to retire past the current retirement age of 62, if the results from a study are anything to go by.


---or the educated poor---
http://sporeunderground.blogspot.com/2006/07/singapore-graduatethe-new-poor.html

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anyway, I thought most recently, it was documented that not all employers (i cant' remember the figure) were satisfied that CPF is adequate for retirement planning...etc

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Re: this one no go ...
(Anonymous)
2006-08-24 07:01 am UTC (link)
Statistics? 41% = Ready and willing? I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

What sample was used?
Are the results generalisable (recall the 'non-generalisable' post-election survey)?
Why are there only descriptive statistics and no inferential statistics?

This kind of 'news', publish or don't publish also no difference. Ok, I take that back. At least we know the amount of support against working past 62 has popular mandate according to MIW jargon.

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Re: this one no go ...
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 09:26 am UTC (link)
Of course I'm willing to work past 62. Otherwise how to survive? I will even beg for a job at MAcDonalds.

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Re: this one no go ...
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 09:25 am UTC (link)
The gahmen can offer to give money to the educated poor if they sign a contract promising not to blog or engage in Internet chatter.

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Re: this one no go ...
[info]chrisloup
2006-08-24 09:37 am UTC (link)
yeah loh.. the educated poor are probably idle ..probably nothing to do besides wash test tubes ... and idle minds probably leads to thoughts of revolu****

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Re: this one no go ...
(Anonymous)
2007-02-22 03:18 pm UTC (link)
Be prepared to slave to death or be Starved to death, you are free to choose any.

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Re: this one no go ...
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 09:19 am UTC (link)
Survey hub? Nooo... It should be Statistical Interpretation Hub... Anything can be interpreted to suit the ends of the MIW.

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(Anonymous)
2006-08-24 04:26 am UTC (link)
Actually hor, according to the few conspiracy theories that come out by the uncles in a Kopitiam this morning, the MIW approaches to tackle the aging population problem is in 3 simple steps one.

First of all, let some next life cockroach suggest about shipping the old and useless out of the little red dot to test test water during the GE. Good! Although there are some kpkb in the partisan Internet, but Internet are just full of troublemakers anyway and no credibility one, so no major protest on the street and still can get 666 strong mandate meant we like this idea. Actually got protest lakee best for Ah Wong maybe, after all the red car unit can gain some EXP to hoot some local troublemaker before the foreign troublemaker arrive for IMF.

So next move, start the propaganda to push all the blame for aging population on us peasants and how Sinkapore would die cock (Er… The talking cock kind of cock) standing without these immigrants. So that it would sound like it is our own fault that the MIW need to beg FT to come and treat them like VIP while us like dirt. Like that we cannot argue back, because it has already become our fault. Remember your falling windows? Same tactic mah, one Tai Chi and kanasai you end up paying for that horse man honest mistake. That why in many pugilist novels, Tai Chi inventor Zhang Shan Feng are usually portrayed as the number one pugilist, Tai Chi the best in China, Mongolia and some said Korea.

Last but not least, once they get the 666 mandate they need and managed to screw it into our head that everything is our fault so don’t complain, then they can carry out the plan to start a MIW boil the frog factory. So the frogs would be send in to slowly boil to death from one end in exchange for peace and stability and the dead frog would be ship out from the other end. If local frogs supply is not enough, can import from other sources. The local frogs cannot complain about foreign frogs being imported because it is their fault for never laying enough eggs to breed tadpoles mah. Like that the factory can continue to work with utmost efficiency and capability at all time. And the MIW are the management that sit at the top level of the factory blowing air-con and oversee thing as they are the one how know best are the good for the frogs.

After all this is not a nation we are talking about, but some MIW Corporation.

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Blamelessness: Teflon Uniquely Singaporean White Shirts
(Anonymous)
2006-08-24 04:38 am UTC (link)
Dear Molly

The theme of blamelessness resonates strongly because here we have MIW continuing to showcase their Teflon "Uniquely Singaporean White Shirts" where past policy failures such as the stop at 2 population control measures have contributed a lot to our present predicament.

The "quick-fix" of importing more migrants who are only interested in PR in turning Singapore into the scenario known as "Hotel Singapore".

These transient working population crammed into our 640 sq metres of land will be literally sharing their elbow grease with us in the packed MRT trains and buses, exacerbating the increasing tensions between Singaporean locals (especially male citizens who have to go through National Service).

NS imposes on male citizens the effects of a loss of individual freedoms so that we can provide safety and security to those foreigners who include the illegal immigrations PM Lee so admires for their entrepreneurial economic contributions notwithstanding they are breaking the law. The ruling party message is if you are a economic asset (notwithstanding doing illegal activities), pls come and settle here so that the GST/taxes/jobs you create (illegally) will help foot the profits of GLCs and fund the wage bill for ministars.

The ruling party is running the country into a soulness hotel filled with 4 million (fake) smiles kowtowing to the IMF/WB angmoh business/tourist/money generating crowd while suppressing its own citizens with the Bhavani commandments and subjugating male citizens to the responsibilities of NS without any real attendant benefits. Please stop building SAFRA resorts and give me back the savings in tax rebates.

lunatic_fringe
"Is it lunatic to be charged for lying in the army while trying to pursue talented illegal immigrants to our land?"

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Re: Blamelessness: Teflon Uniquely Singaporean White Shirts
[info]chrisloup
2006-08-24 08:16 am UTC (link)
frankly, the stop at 2 isn't a failure, the problem is people stopping at 1 right now (or none), which is a cost of living/children being a liability issue.

perhaps if one check the population statistics which racial minority has the least decreasing population growth stats and correlate that to eg: free tertiary education......

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[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 09:28 am UTC (link)
Yeah what, it's all our fault. The MIW are blameless...

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Hahaha!
(Anonymous)
2006-08-25 05:10 pm UTC (link)
Wah, must read up on the animal kingdom already.

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Re: Hahaha!
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-25 05:20 pm UTC (link)
Try Animal Farm by George Orwell. Very nice animal kingdom that resembles ours.

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actually the solution to the aging population is newater..
[info]chrisloup
2006-08-24 05:17 am UTC (link)
our bioscience hub status should be used to find an age discriminating agent to inflict on all those people who cannot afford to drink and bath in evian and perrier everyday...

so if you're poor and old, you die faster so that sg estate tax laws and stamp duties can take their cut, and the govt can save on hospital subsidies..

or maybe the departure trip to the offshore retirement villages will be run by snakeheads who couldn't care if you sank or suffocated..

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Re: actually the solution to the aging population is newater..
[info]auntyxinjiabo
2006-08-24 07:35 am UTC (link)
What a waste of human cells, abeit old ones...

Why not let the bioscience hub harvest these old souls' cells and sell them as new?

Afterall we are so good at re-packaging and branding ...

Throw into the ocean, so wasteful! Must do your last bit for the country mah ... cannot reproduce babies hor, reproduce cells lah.

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Re: actually the solution to the aging population is newater..
[info]chrisloup
2006-08-24 08:13 am UTC (link)
organ donation act will probably be opt out in future... (if it isn't already)

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Re: actually the solution to the aging population is newater..
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 09:32 am UTC (link)
I think it is already opt out... But old organs aren't always useful. Just turn the organs into commericial products. The last I read, in China there was this factory that collected human hair and turned them into soy sauce. With out focus of Research, I'm sure we can find some use for every body part.

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Re: actually the solution to the aging population is newater..
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-24 09:30 am UTC (link)
Just package them as "volunteers" (or even not volunteers) and sell them off to some country for scientific experimentation. The reason: it is necessary for the nation's economic stability. Just like young men can be conscripted, old people can be "conscripted" for the service of the nation...

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Imagination
(Anonymous)
2006-08-24 12:42 pm UTC (link)
I guess most of you have read the series, about the left behind, armageddon stories. Although I am not a fellow believer of the faith, it struck a chord in me. Especially when the tribulation forces tried to communicate and plan protests against the Anti-Christ. It was dangerous to speak out and risked being beheaded if you do not pledge loyalty to the evil forces. Of course, the wise ones resist, and use the internet to spread the message across. In the end, the good people win. If only this will happen in our real lives.

bamboo
taleofaboobam

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Re: Imagination
(Anonymous)
2006-08-25 09:28 am UTC (link)
It is already happening...we have ISA and MSM firmly under the MIW's grasp. OB markers both visible and invisible are everywhere.

The only OB-less place is the internet--and it's only because the MIW cannot "ban" the internet.

lunatic_fringe

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Re: Imagination
[info]mollymeek
2006-08-25 11:25 am UTC (link)
The Internet isn't exactly OB-less. They say the same laws apply. And yet, you can get away saying certain things if it's Internet chatter.

The Internet is, at the same time, used as an OB marker itself. Certains can only be said online.

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Kiddies with public ink
(Anonymous)
2008-06-14 05:25 am UTC (link)
It seems to me that a lot of people with visible work put a lot of thought into it before hand.
Recently I discovered a rant on quite a respected figure in the tattoo community's Myspace. I say rant, it was more like pure venomous hatred.
It would seem that some find young people with visible ink, impatient and disrespectful, and they must all just think it's cool to have visible work.
I'm 23, My first tattoo was on my shoulder, then my wrists, then I got a full sleeve. Then I moved to my hands, then neck and I also have a large part of my leg tattooed.
It took me about two years to get the opportunity to get my hand tattooed by my idol, and then my neck by an artist I greatly admire, a lot of time, effort and thought was put into both of these.
Even though I'm somewhat older and do have a fair bit of coverage, I might still be classed as young and "under-tattooed" to have such visible work, and I can't help but think that's kinda crazy!
Sure I've seen some 18 year olds with kanji on their necks or poorly executed skulls on their hands, and you can almost tell they rushed into it, wanting everyone to see their new work as clearly as possible, and fine that to me is impatient and maybe even attention seeking.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that not everyone who has visible work is disrespectful to the art, some people invest a great deal of time, money and effort into getting that particular location inked with the highest standard work possible.
It's kinda funny to find prejudice within a community that tries so hard to divert it away from itself.

Thoughts?

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